RU planning to put a 302 in your X?

*Brandons* · 07-26-2003, 11:03 PM

finnaly, i got ahold of a 302, for $25 canadian

good deal i guess....needs a bit of work, but its around 200hp, i could easily mod it, and if i dont want it, il sell it to someone else..

JGAMBLE · 06-17-2004, 10:51 PM

Ok, I've read this entire post like 3 times and have spent hours researching this. Here's my question. Everyone seems to be using car engines. If I were to use a 302 and tranny out of a late model F150 or Bronco does this simplify matters, especially in the area of tranny/t-case adaptor? All answers are appreciated.

86caprirs · 10-16-2004, 01:15 PM

I have a quick question????Has anyone used an engine/trans/transfercase from a F-150????? Would that not be an ideal swap???

86caprirs · 10-17-2004, 08:33 PM

Sorry jgamble..we posted on the samething!!!!!

*Brandons* · 10-18-2004, 07:52 PM

Just out of curiosity.. whats the largest engine you could fit without doing any major body work to it? And getting a v8 EFI, is that really expensive? I live on mostly flat land, so would EFI even be neccessary?

410Fortune · 03-30-2005, 09:27 AM

well there is a 93 Ranger getting a 4.6L, thats a big ass engine, it required some very creative custom fab to get the steering to clear the block.
I have seen a 460 in a Bronco II.

Size is not the limiting factor, time and $$$ is.

IMO EFI is the ONLY way to go, but a carbed 302 can be had and fitted quite easliy and cheaply.
best bang for the buck is the tried and proven 5.0L EFI conversion.

Also I eould like to change my answer in this thread to Yes I plan to install a 5.0L in my truck

*Brandons* · 03-30-2005, 11:53 AM

I like the EFI idea best now. I really want to see someone put a v10 in an explorer though

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BUCHVILLEMAN · 03-30-2005, 12:45 PM

ive always been interested in seing a diesel explorer.

my V8(351w H.O.) swap is slow going. got the money, got all the parts just aint got the time. i was planning on being done by now but looks like it will be april/may. i have to be done by the end of may so ill update then.

*Positive Vibes* · 03-30-2005, 12:49 PM

Great thread. Signing up!

86caprirs · 04-23-2005, 03:52 PM

Lets keep this one alive.

I have a question...How about a 302/E4OD from a Bronco,F-150, Econoline. Use the stock electronic transfer case from the Explorer,and use the computer and wire harness from the donor vehicals????I know the F-150/bronco/Econoline use the engine compartment fuse pannel just like the Explorer.I mean it is on the other side compared to the Explorer but it could be installed and powered up with the batt cables going to it.It "SOUNDS" like an easier swap when it comes to wireing the Explorer.......What do you think?????

Also, who has pics of there swaps/mods stuff like that???

Hotweels · 01-10-2006, 07:02 AM

will the 96+ V8 explorer oil filter adapter work on the 91-94 explorer conversion?

410Fortune · 01-10-2006, 06:26 PM

Hotwheels, now way no how. the 91-94 steering box is DIRECTLY where the 5.0L oil filter mount is.

The Canton 90 degree billet adapter I used clears my steering box by about 3/8", thats IT! It is only 1.25" tall when bolted to the block.

You must remote mount the oil filter, well its the easiest way, and not all block filter adapters (for a remote mount kit) will fit. Alot depends on where you place the engine on the frame (engine mounts)

It is all covered in my conversion thread (signature), my 88 is basically the exact same thing as a first gen Exploder. Here's a quote from page 3:

"Some notes from last night:
The explorer 5.0L block uses a oil filter adapter that will not work with the Canton (or similar) oil filter 90 degree elbow. The piece that the new elbow threads onto is missing from the block. I had to get this piece from another 5.0L block (thanks Brett), then I was able to mount the Canton adapter.

The L&L engine mounts are almost perfect, they lined up when bolted to the engine cradle way better then I ever would have imagined, they also put the engine way down low while still clearing everything very well. However I found it was 100 times easier to bolt the mounts completely to the block, then lower the block in place, its such a tight fit that I couldnt get the pass side bolt through both pieces. Doing it this way made it a snap. the bolts that hold the mounts to the cradle go in last.

The heater box will not fit in place after the block is bolted in.
again learned this the hard way. I guess it depends on where your engine sits and how much of the box you notch, but I had to loosen the engine mounts, raise the block about 4" and swing it forward, then install the box.

There is about 1/4" clearance between the Canton elbow and the power steering box, I have about 1/2" clearance between the Duff drop bracket and oil pan now, both of these will improve when the tran is installed and the back of the engine gets lifted slightly."

Hotweels · 01-10-2006, 07:16 PM

Quote:

There is about 1/4" clearance between the Canton elbow and the power steering box,

thats not enuff fer my application.... HP has a way of distorting engine mounts...

i will be doing things the speedfreak way with 1/4" plate... this 5.0 explorer stuff is worth a small fortune here due to the mustang crowd jacking up prices and the wreckers think even stock manifolds off a 5.0 explorer are worth gold... was getting prices to the tube of $300cdn for STOCK explorer 5.0 manifolds from the wreckin yards and even private sales....

i just bought some manifolds to get the conversion ball rolling.... even with 4.56's and 35"s the 4.0 is a dog in low range trying to chew and spit skeg.... time fer a V8

stay tuned for a SAS'd/hacked/small blocked exploder on PROPANE.... yup.... u read that rite... P R O P A N E

oh and this is a junkyard wars build.... budget all included is $1000cdn.... plus the freebies

410Fortune · 01-10-2006, 07:27 PM

It was more like 3/8"-1/2" when the engine and trans were bolted in for the final time

You can get a bit more by simply moving the block back a bit and/or up.

There are other adapters on the market that are not as tall as the Canton, but they are not as good either

Hotweels · 01-10-2006, 08:27 PM

Quote:

You can get a bit more by simply moving the block back a bit and/or up.

am i missin something here or is everyone building custom tranny cross members here?

i have a "easy" to adjust crossmember for the tranny to bolt to but i cant see everyone playing with the stock x-member much?

the 4.0 allready sits pretty close to the firewall so there cant be that much room to slide a 5.0 around... oh well.... swap starts at the end of the month so i guess i will get to see what all the fun is.

410Fortune · 01-10-2006, 08:49 PM

The stock X member was the EASIEST to modify/move of them all. Most people just end up slotting the factory holes for the trans mount, some people have moved the x member back one full length, and I had to notch and add material to my Autofab trans mount to fit, which sits on my Skyjacker trans X member.

It all depends on which trans yo uuse and how the 5.0L sits in your truck EVERY CONVERSION IS DIFFERENT.

Hotweels · 01-10-2006, 10:07 PM

like i said.... "easy"..... easier then stock

410Fortune · 01-10-2006, 10:11 PM

Ah now I see, you were working on one

Hotweels · 01-10-2006, 10:44 PM

i already built it.... it was sorta a necissity with my SFA and C5 swap... but if all goes well i hope all i need to do is bolt on a SBF bell and converter and let the C5 locate the 302... body mod's and stuff falling off with a torch are not a concern with this swap... i have my eye on several donor rad's that would be about 6"-8" wider then the stock explorer rad... with the 3" body lift i should be able to get away with alot... trying to stay away from electric fan's due to reliability issues... if i have to go electric maybe the rad need's to go in the rear cargo area....

blah.... will stop polluting this thread now and maybe start my own V8 swap thread once i find a motor.

410Fortune · 01-11-2006, 10:27 AM

My trans mount moved back about 1.5" with the 4R70w and 5.0L, not too far from where my 2.9L and 5 speed were, or my 4.0L and A4LD. I dont think you will have issue with your custom x member since you already have the C5.

Can't wait to see your project!

If I push my engine back anymore it would require cutting of the firewall due to the upper GT-40 intake and exhaust. I have no body lift.

07-26-2003, 11:03 PM	#101
Brandons Elite Explorer Ontario, Canada 06 F150 SC 5.4 Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,626 Vehicle Specs	i got ahold of a 302 finnaly, i got ahold of a 302, for $25 canadian good deal i guess....needs a bit of work, but its around 200hp, i could easily mod it, and if i dont want it, il sell it to someone else.. __________________ 2006 F150 XLT Supercrew 5.4L 1994 XLT 4.0L 1997 XL 4.0L

10-18-2004, 07:52 PM	#105
Brandons Elite Explorer Ontario, Canada 06 F150 SC 5.4 Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,626 Vehicle Specs	Just out of curiosity.. whats the largest engine you could fit without doing any major body work to it? And getting a v8 EFI, is that really expensive? I live on mostly flat land, so would EFI even be neccessary? __________________ 2006 F150 XLT Supercrew 5.4L 1994 XLT 4.0L 1997 XL 4.0L

03-30-2005, 09:27 AM	#106
410Fortune ELITE BRONCO2ERER Crawlorado B2 Mod Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 22,099 Vehicle Specs	well there is a 93 Ranger getting a 4.6L, thats a big ass engine, it required some very creative custom fab to get the steering to clear the block. I have seen a 460 in a Bronco II. Size is not the limiting factor, time and $$$ is. IMO EFI is the ONLY way to go, but a carbed 302 can be had and fitted quite easliy and cheaply. best bang for the buck is the tried and proven 5.0L EFI conversion. Also I eould like to change my answer in this thread to Yes I plan to install a 5.0L in my truck __________________ 96 Explorer daily driver build-1996 XLT 5.0L AWD to 4x4 conversion complete on 33's 88 BII 5.0L conversion - BII 5.0l drivetrain thread My Bronco II - 1988 Bronco II 4x4 V8 on 35's - registry and updates Wifes 07 FJ build - 2007 FJ cruiser locked and lifted

03-30-2005, 11:53 AM	#107
Brandons Elite Explorer Ontario, Canada 06 F150 SC 5.4 Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,626 Vehicle Specs	I like the EFI idea best now. I really want to see someone put a v10 in an explorer though . __________________ 2006 F150 XLT Supercrew 5.4L 1994 XLT 4.0L 1997 XL 4.0L

03-30-2005, 12:45 PM	#108
BUCHVILLEMAN Wannabe Elite Explorer Buckville, Florida 95' xlt Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,317 Vehicle Specs	ive always been interested in seing a diesel explorer. my V8(351w H.O.) swap is slow going. got the money, got all the parts just aint got the time. i was planning on being done by now but looks like it will be april/may. i have to be done by the end of may so ill update then. __________________ Gabe

06-17-2004, 10:51 PM	#102
JGAMBLE B Ft. Wainwright, Ak 1994xlt Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,023 Vehicle Specs	Ok, I've read this entire post like 3 times and have spent hours researching this. Here's my question. Everyone seems to be using car engines. If I were to use a 302 and tranny out of a late model F150 or Bronco does this simplify matters, especially in the area of tranny/t-case adaptor? All answers are appreciated.

10-16-2004, 01:15 PM	#103
86caprirs Wannabe Elite Explorer Chestermere, Alberta 1992 Explorer 4.0L 4x4 XL Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 266 Vehicle Specs	I have a quick question????Has anyone used an engine/trans/transfercase from a F-150????? Would that not be an ideal swap???

10-17-2004, 08:33 PM	#104
86caprirs Wannabe Elite Explorer Chestermere, Alberta 1992 Explorer 4.0L 4x4 XL Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 266 Vehicle Specs	Sorry jgamble..we posted on the samething!!!!!

03-30-2005, 12:49 PM	#109
Positive Vibes Elite Explorer Santa Cruz, Ca '94 XLT Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 4,081 Vehicle Specs	Great thread. Signing up! __________________ '94 XLT, 5.5" superlift, cat back flowmaster, KKM, custom rocksliders, 33X12.5 XTerrains, 4.10's, custom bumpers, Detroit in 8.8, on board air, ARB locker in front winch,etc. What is greater than God, More evil than the devil, The poor have it, The rich need it, And if you eat it, you'll die?

04-23-2005, 03:52 PM	#110
86caprirs Wannabe Elite Explorer Chestermere, Alberta 1992 Explorer 4.0L 4x4 XL Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 266 Vehicle Specs	Lets keep this one alive. I have a question...How about a 302/E4OD from a Bronco,F-150, Econoline. Use the stock electronic transfer case from the Explorer,and use the computer and wire harness from the donor vehicals????I know the F-150/bronco/Econoline use the engine compartment fuse pannel just like the Explorer.I mean it is on the other side compared to the Explorer but it could be installed and powered up with the batt cables going to it.It "SOUNDS" like an easier swap when it comes to wireing the Explorer.......What do you think????? Also, who has pics of there swaps/mods stuff like that???

01-10-2006, 07:02 AM	#111
Hotweels Wannabe Elite Explorer Calgary,AB '92 EB Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 721 Vehicle Specs	will the 96+ V8 explorer oil filter adapter work on the 91-94 explorer conversion? __________________ D44/9" open/spool 36" TSL SX's Warn 8274 C5-B&M Megashifter 5.0 Speed Density swap done an running.

01-10-2006, 06:26 PM	#112
410Fortune ELITE BRONCO2ERER Crawlorado B2 Mod Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 22,099 Vehicle Specs	Hotwheels, now way no how. the 91-94 steering box is DIRECTLY where the 5.0L oil filter mount is. The Canton 90 degree billet adapter I used clears my steering box by about 3/8", thats IT! It is only 1.25" tall when bolted to the block. You must remote mount the oil filter, well its the easiest way, and not all block filter adapters (for a remote mount kit) will fit. Alot depends on where you place the engine on the frame (engine mounts) It is all covered in my conversion thread (signature), my 88 is basically the exact same thing as a first gen Exploder. Here's a quote from page 3: "Some notes from last night: The explorer 5.0L block uses a oil filter adapter that will not work with the Canton (or similar) oil filter 90 degree elbow. The piece that the new elbow threads onto is missing from the block. I had to get this piece from another 5.0L block (thanks Brett), then I was able to mount the Canton adapter. The L&L engine mounts are almost perfect, they lined up when bolted to the engine cradle way better then I ever would have imagined, they also put the engine way down low while still clearing everything very well. However I found it was 100 times easier to bolt the mounts completely to the block, then lower the block in place, its such a tight fit that I couldnt get the pass side bolt through both pieces. Doing it this way made it a snap. the bolts that hold the mounts to the cradle go in last. The heater box will not fit in place after the block is bolted in. again learned this the hard way. I guess it depends on where your engine sits and how much of the box you notch, but I had to loosen the engine mounts, raise the block about 4" and swing it forward, then install the box. There is about 1/4" clearance between the Canton elbow and the power steering box, I have about 1/2" clearance between the Duff drop bracket and oil pan now, both of these will improve when the tran is installed and the back of the engine gets lifted slightly." __________________ 96 Explorer daily driver build-1996 XLT 5.0L AWD to 4x4 conversion complete on 33's 88 BII 5.0L conversion - BII 5.0l drivetrain thread My Bronco II - 1988 Bronco II 4x4 V8 on 35's - registry and updates Wifes 07 FJ build - 2007 FJ cruiser locked and lifted

01-10-2006, 07:27 PM	#114
410Fortune ELITE BRONCO2ERER Crawlorado B2 Mod Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 22,099 Vehicle Specs	It was more like 3/8"-1/2" when the engine and trans were bolted in for the final time You can get a bit more by simply moving the block back a bit and/or up. There are other adapters on the market that are not as tall as the Canton, but they are not as good either __________________ 96 Explorer daily driver build-1996 XLT 5.0L AWD to 4x4 conversion complete on 33's 88 BII 5.0L conversion - BII 5.0l drivetrain thread My Bronco II - 1988 Bronco II 4x4 V8 on 35's - registry and updates Wifes 07 FJ build - 2007 FJ cruiser locked and lifted

01-10-2006, 08:49 PM	#116
410Fortune ELITE BRONCO2ERER Crawlorado B2 Mod Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 22,099 Vehicle Specs	The stock X member was the EASIEST to modify/move of them all. Most people just end up slotting the factory holes for the trans mount, some people have moved the x member back one full length, and I had to notch and add material to my Autofab trans mount to fit, which sits on my Skyjacker trans X member. It all depends on which trans yo uuse and how the 5.0L sits in your truck EVERY CONVERSION IS DIFFERENT. __________________ 96 Explorer daily driver build-1996 XLT 5.0L AWD to 4x4 conversion complete on 33's 88 BII 5.0L conversion - BII 5.0l drivetrain thread My Bronco II - 1988 Bronco II 4x4 V8 on 35's - registry and updates Wifes 07 FJ build - 2007 FJ cruiser locked and lifted

01-10-2006, 10:07 PM	#117
Hotweels Wannabe Elite Explorer Calgary,AB '92 EB Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 721 Vehicle Specs	like i said.... "easy"..... easier then stock __________________ D44/9" open/spool 36" TSL SX's Warn 8274 C5-B&M Megashifter 5.0 Speed Density swap done an running.

01-10-2006, 10:11 PM	#118
410Fortune ELITE BRONCO2ERER Crawlorado B2 Mod Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 22,099 Vehicle Specs	Ah now I see, you were working on one __________________ 96 Explorer daily driver build-1996 XLT 5.0L AWD to 4x4 conversion complete on 33's 88 BII 5.0L conversion - BII 5.0l drivetrain thread My Bronco II - 1988 Bronco II 4x4 V8 on 35's - registry and updates Wifes 07 FJ build - 2007 FJ cruiser locked and lifted

01-10-2006, 10:44 PM	#119
Hotweels Wannabe Elite Explorer Calgary,AB '92 EB Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 721 Vehicle Specs	i already built it.... it was sorta a necissity with my SFA and C5 swap... but if all goes well i hope all i need to do is bolt on a SBF bell and converter and let the C5 locate the 302... body mod's and stuff falling off with a torch are not a concern with this swap... i have my eye on several donor rad's that would be about 6"-8" wider then the stock explorer rad... with the 3" body lift i should be able to get away with alot... trying to stay away from electric fan's due to reliability issues... if i have to go electric maybe the rad need's to go in the rear cargo area.... blah.... will stop polluting this thread now and maybe start my own V8 swap thread once i find a motor. __________________ D44/9" open/spool 36" TSL SX's Warn 8274 C5-B&M Megashifter 5.0 Speed Density swap done an running.

01-11-2006, 10:27 AM	#120
410Fortune ELITE BRONCO2ERER Crawlorado B2 Mod Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 22,099 Vehicle Specs	My trans mount moved back about 1.5" with the 4R70w and 5.0L, not too far from where my 2.9L and 5 speed were, or my 4.0L and A4LD. I dont think you will have issue with your custom x member since you already have the C5. Can't wait to see your project! If I push my engine back anymore it would require cutting of the firewall due to the upper GT-40 intake and exhaust. I have no body lift. __________________ 96 Explorer daily driver build-1996 XLT 5.0L AWD to 4x4 conversion complete on 33's 88 BII 5.0L conversion - BII 5.0l drivetrain thread My Bronco II - 1988 Bronco II 4x4 V8 on 35's - registry and updates Wifes 07 FJ build - 2007 FJ cruiser locked and lifted