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Once again the only true "study" was done by Consumer Reports 10 years ago on NYC taxis. Being that long ago there would have been plenty of Fords as they were the preferred vehicle of taxis until Ford quit producing it. Taxis have plenty of idle time as witnessed by the long lines at airports waiting to get out of the que to pick up passengers. Taxis have to be SEVERE duty with a capital S yet they witnessed almost no engine related failures in total regardless of the interval.
 



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Here is a July 2017 article that has info from Blackstone Labs. They see no difference between oil brands when it comes to oil analysis and wear metal in the oil. Buy a quality oil, brand makes no difference. Amsoil, Mobil 1, Pennzoil or Walmart store brand SuperTech will give you the same results. The conversation with a customer is pretty funny.

Motor Oil Study Finds That Motor Oil Brands Are Not Important
 






If no synthetic from the start was a fact then why do many vehicles come from the factory with Mobil 1 in the crankcase?
Just curious as to how you know that there is Mobil 1 in the engine? I've never seen a sticker on any new vehicle I've had as per the oil used from the factory. Does your statement apply to Ford?

Peter
 






First one is the most important. You want to get all the assembly lube and contaminants from manufacturing out. What ever oil you end up using, do it asap.

As the Aussies say...Pure unadulterated Bullshit! You change it when the intelligent oil monitor tells you to change it. Anything before is wasting money and polluting the environment, which most folks never take into account when changing oil.
 






Here is a July 2017 article that has info from Blackstone Labs. They see no difference between oil brands when it comes to oil analysis and wear metal in the oil. Buy a quality oil, brand makes no difference. Amsoil, Mobil 1, Pennzoil or Walmart store brand SuperTech will give you the same results. The conversation with a customer is pretty funny.

Motor Oil Study Finds That Motor Oil Brands Are Not Important

For every article that says there is no difference between conventional motor oil and synthetic, I can find one that says the opposite. High end performance cars and race cars pretty much only use synthetic oil. Most of the wear on an engine occurs at start up, synthetic oil is superior to conventional oil during start ups, especially in cold weather. I know I've posted information about this before so I won't go into detail again. With everything that is said on this thread if you change your oil, oil filter and air filter diligently your Explorer will be fine, unfortunately oil and inner wear of the engine is not the limiting factor for longevity on these engines.

Below is an article from Triple AAA, Google the title and you can find it:

Synthetic or conventional oil? The verdict is finally in

If you're a good car owner and follow a reasonable maintenance schedule, you most likely change your oil at least twice a year.

This has always been my practice. Scrupulous drivers do it more often, using the traditional "every 3,000 miles" rule. And so do drivers who run their vehicles hard.

But a big question comes up when undertaking this basic task, either yourself or at a professional garage or oil-change location: traditional or synthetic oil?

There are two considerations when making that call: cost and quality. Everybody knows synthetic costs more. But is it worth it?

AAA conducted an extensive scientific analysis to find out. The results, published earlier this month, aren't shocking, but they could guide consumer behavior toward spending a bit more money to get a long-term review.

Synthetic is better. A lot better.

"Synthetic oil outperformed conventional oil by an average of nearly 50 percent in its independent evaluation, offering vehicles significantly better engine protection for only $5 more per month when following a factory-recommended oil change schedule," the organization said in a statement.

In the study, AAA found that "synthetic engine oils performed an average of 47 percent better than conventional oils in a variety of industry-standard tests," John Nielsen, the organization's managing director of automotive engineering and repair, said in a statement.

"With its superior resistance to deterioration, AAA's findings indicate that synthetic oil is particularly beneficial to newer vehicles with turbocharged engines and for vehicles that frequently drive in stop-and-go traffic, tow heavy loads or operate in extreme hot or cold conditions."

Worth it to spend a little more

A lot of drivers already kind of knew that. I did, but there have been plenty of times when I opted for "dinosaur oil" over the higher-tech and pricier synthetic stuff.

AAA was quite honest about the findings. You aren't going to hurt your engine if you skip the Mobil 1, one of the best-known synthetics. But you aren't going to put yourself in the poorhouse if you flip for the synthetic, either — these oils add only $64 a year on average to vehicle-operation costs.

You might think you're being upsold at the oil-change place. But the upsell pays off for you and the mechanic.

AAA didn't go light on the research. The report it produced is a deep dive into these lubrications.

"AAA's engine oil research focused on eight industry-standard ASTM (American Society for Testing and Materials) tests to evaluate the quality of both synthetic and conventional engine oils in terms of shear stability, deposit formation, volatility, cold-temperature pumpability, oxidation resistance and oxidation-induced rheological changes," the organization said.

I've been opting for synthetic for a few years now because I figure it would cover me better than changing the oil more often.

It is important to remember that you don't need to go synthetic if cost is an issue — that's the catch. When my 1998 Saab 900S was on its last legs, I went back to conventional for oil changes. I wasn't going to deprive myself of a decent bottle of wine for that jalopy, which I loved but had to send to its final reward when I moved back East a few years ago.

However, if you own a newer car or want to maximize the long-term value of your vehicle, AAA's advice is clear: pay the extra money for the extra protection.
 






I changed the oil last weekend at 1,400 miles. I was surprised at how black the oil looked. I did send in an oil sample, plan to sample every change. I cut the filter opened at work and looked at the filter media, just out of curiosity. definitely some metal slivers in there, no chunks, and some small green particles, not quite sure what these were?
I refilled with Castrol Edge and a Purolator Boss filter. This "break in" oil change may have done nothing as far as extending engine life, but it made me feel better. Plus, as others have said, There definitely has to be some assembly lube and other crap in there that I would not want to leave in there for 10,000 miles.
 






You can never really tell the condition of the oil by the color. It is the additives and viscosity in the oil that do the work. That is where the oil sample will tell you what is going on with it
 






Replying to @steelers06steelers and only to @steelers06steelers

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It is and was my assumption that the ti-vct engines come with either coated rings and/or cylinder bores which makes a traditional break-in obsolete which would also mean using a synthetic oil for the initial fill make sense. Break-in's are for mating flat tappet lifters to the cam lobes and for establishing good ring seal when using uncoated iron rings. A flush on the other hand is to get left over manufacturing contaminates out asap after initial start up. A factory oil filter only filters a fraction of the oil in the engine as opposed to a bypass filter which effective would filter all the oil in the system comparatively quickly on top of filtering much finer particles if using a 2 stage. That is why I suggested doing many changes within the first 1,000 miles to get as much crap out as possible as soon as possible.

When it's Time For an Oil Change | Vehicle Feature Video | Official Ford Owner Site
Oil life monitors: Should you trust them?

It is refreshing when I hear people using their own noggin to make decisions instead of waiting for a computer to tell what to do and when to do it. :thumbsup:

It's funny that even the manufactures lists many exception when NOT to follow the OLM and the conditions that will increase change intervals but things (like high quality oil) that can extend intervals are just myths and marketing. Same people that say all the oil today are better quality than 50 years ago (even the conventional oils) when 3,000-5,000 oil changes were 'established' and that 7,000-10,000 is the new norm say using "expensive" oil by the company that first started selling synthetic oil to consumer vehicles that has proven 25,000 miles on the same oil is ludicrous.

You started this thread comparing oil change practices to religion and politics and just like religion and politic people will stick to what is written in a book or just do what their fathers and grand fathers did, without question or investigation and without comparing what they read and hear against their own experiences and reason. That is to say if they even have any experiences or reason to begin with. Oil change Jihad's who what to strike down anyone who doesn't conform to their outdated narrow views and don't consider new revelations or technological breakthroughs. And of coarse there is always the "BITOG" guy who thinks that site holds all the definitive answers when it comes to oil changes as if this debate is any different there than it is on every other automotive site on the net.
 






Oil posts are always the most interesting. There is no wrong when it is your vehicle, money, and time - do what you want, it is all your choice.
 






I've been using Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil since it was introduced in the 1970s. I'll do my 2018 Ecoboost Explorer's first oil change at 1,000 miles, then every 5,000 miles thereafter. I'll probably use a Motorcraft (Ford) oil filter on the Explorer, but I also like the looks of Fram Ultra oil filters these days.

One of my "toys" is a 900-horsepower small-block Chevrolet Camaro. It runs the quarter mile in nine seconds at about 150 mph. My buddies and I have been racing this car for more than 20 years, and it gets a fresh fill of Mobil 1 5w30 motor oil (from Walmart) every spring, along with an off-the-shelf ACDelco oil filter.

I figure if my race car thrives on Mobil 1, my Explorer will like Mobil 1 too.

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Nice Camaro, 67 right? Im a muscle car guy too, all my life. I have a 70 Buick right now. I change the oil in the old car every spring also, of course she doesn't get the track abuse that your Camaro gets, but I do run her pretty hard, about 1,000 miles per year. I run Brad Penn, which is now called Penn Grade 10W40 and a Napa gold filter. Brad Penn is made in Pennsylvania by Kendall and it has a high zinc content which is good for our old flat tappet engines.
 






2017 sport, and I use Mobil 1 synthetic with a motorcraft filter..Both can be found at Walmart . My sport is tuned and I did my first oil change around 10k. I'm @15,x.. now and plan to follow the oil life monitor,so it should be another 5k or so until my next oil change . Everyone's going to have their 2 cents I'm just giving you mine. Oils have come a long way over the years. Quality oils nowadays are far superior then what they use to be.
 






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