rustylugnut
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My v8/6r Mountaineer has 1-2 shift quality issues. 166k miles. Not sure if original trans or not. It upshifts smoothly around 3500rpm, but it tends to flare occasionally on >~3500rpm upshifts, and shift sort of harsh on <~3500rpm upshifts. You can feel a sort of bump/clunk when the 2-1 deceleration downshift occurs as well, shortly before you come to a stop.
The torque converter doesn't like to stay locked when cruising 30-50mph either. At low throttle inputs, such as when just cruising along, it will lock and unlock almost constantly, causing the engine speed to vary 200rpm up/down every few seconds.
This is showing the TC locking and unlocking while cruising at a steady 45mph. Notice the increases in TC slip rpm coincide with fluctuations in the TCC servo amperage, which controls TC lockup.
The torque converter is supposed to lock during upshifts. If it fails to do so the unlocked converter will allow shifts to flare some.
Take note mainly of the RPM and TC Slip RPM lines during this WOT 1-2 shift. During the upshift, the torque converter slip rpm should fall steadily and quickly to 0, indicating a locked converter. The RPM should also decrease steadily as 2nd gear is engaged. The brief flatline in the rpm(flare) during the 1-2 shift coincides with the torque converter slip rpm briefly increasing. That means the shift flare is caused by the TC failing to lock. Not sure what is causing this.
This is an example of a much less sloppy WOT upshift. The purple line at the very bottom is the Torque Converter Control solenoid amperage. This solenoid controls the lockup that occurs while cruising along, but apparently doesn't control the lockup that occurs during upshifts. Not sure what does.
Anyone have any insight on either of these issues, or know where I can find some? Haven't been able to find a whole lot. I'm trying to get my hands on some factory powertrain controls manuals.
The torque converter doesn't like to stay locked when cruising 30-50mph either. At low throttle inputs, such as when just cruising along, it will lock and unlock almost constantly, causing the engine speed to vary 200rpm up/down every few seconds.
This is showing the TC locking and unlocking while cruising at a steady 45mph. Notice the increases in TC slip rpm coincide with fluctuations in the TCC servo amperage, which controls TC lockup.
The torque converter is supposed to lock during upshifts. If it fails to do so the unlocked converter will allow shifts to flare some.
Take note mainly of the RPM and TC Slip RPM lines during this WOT 1-2 shift. During the upshift, the torque converter slip rpm should fall steadily and quickly to 0, indicating a locked converter. The RPM should also decrease steadily as 2nd gear is engaged. The brief flatline in the rpm(flare) during the 1-2 shift coincides with the torque converter slip rpm briefly increasing. That means the shift flare is caused by the TC failing to lock. Not sure what is causing this.
This is an example of a much less sloppy WOT upshift. The purple line at the very bottom is the Torque Converter Control solenoid amperage. This solenoid controls the lockup that occurs while cruising along, but apparently doesn't control the lockup that occurs during upshifts. Not sure what does.
Anyone have any insight on either of these issues, or know where I can find some? Haven't been able to find a whole lot. I'm trying to get my hands on some factory powertrain controls manuals.