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An Explorer stops quicker than a 2003 Accord???

Discussion in 'Exploring everything under the sun!!' started by jjue, September 17, 2002.

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    1. jjue

      jjue Elite Explorer<br>sXc Member

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      OK, I found this interesting in the latest issue of Car & Driver. The 2003 Accord EX V-6 was tested with a braking 70-0 distance of 209 ft. The other cars in the test group stop as follows:

      Pontiac Grand Prix GTP 189 ft.
      Toyota Camry XLE V-6 191 ft.
      Nissan Altima 3.5SE 192 ft.

      Here's the kicker:

      Ford Explorer (tested 06/01) 184 ft.
      Chevy Suburban 205 ft.
      F-150 XLT 4x4 SuperCab 204 ft.
      Acura MDX 205 ft.
      Dodge Ram Quad Cab 4x4 203 ft.
      Chevy Trailblazer 195 ft.
      Chevy Tahoe LT 197 ft.

      Is it me, did either C&D screw up the test or did Honda screw up the Accord. Not that I'm in the market for one, but with a braking distance of that is more than a Suburban, I think that I can easily pass on this one. What I can't figure out is that all these trucks and SUV's above stop faster than a car that weighs 1000 lbs. or more less.
       
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    3. danniexp

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      well......

      it may be more than just a matter of weight. bigger vehicles need bigger braking systems, and engineers understand that. so part of the reason (understand im saying PART) could be that the braking on all the large vehicles was overly applicated for the vehicle... the ford explorers weight is slightly under 4000 lbs.... and I for one am extremely pleased with its braking capabilities, far more so than the trans am that I own... another thing could be the fact that it isn't something that a lot of people are going to look at in such a small car, they just assume it stops fast, where as with a large suv, they would pay more attention.. the engineers dont want to focus on an aspect of the car that isn't that marketable.....
      all in all... whatever the reason, i think we should just kick back and relax with our damn good braking systems!
       
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      Effectiveness of the ABS is an other issue. Some ABS are far from giving the max brake power, just for making sure no tire ever bloks.

      Traction is an other issue. No matter how good your brakes are, you can just slow down at the max rate the traction of your tires let you to.

      I don't know how many runs the test team did and how the procedure was (and which car mfg. paid lunch and the evening entretanement that day). So chance is somebody goofed a little, but the Explorer really did well compared to all the others :)
       
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      The Accord usually comes with crappy tires, and that's a lot of it. Also like was said above, SUVs have lots of attention placed on their brakes.

      My 33's take longer to stop than the stock tires or the 31's, but I'm still damn pleased with the brakes. No mods and they still stop excellently, even with the much more massive rubber.
       
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      LOL! I can remember when I first got my 31's I overshot the first road I tried to turn on, then I overshot my own driveaway. :eek:
       
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      I can agree with that. My old Escort had very "crappy" brakes compared to my Explorer's. It would brake and you could brake hard but it just wouldn't bite like you wanted. I just don't think there was enough weight to make it stop. :)
       
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      Not many econobox drivers realize that they have proportionally crappy brakes. I always have people ride my butt on the freeway, usually a little Honda (not against Hondas, just a fact). If I brake suddenly, they're going under my truck and are going to literally have a face full of bumper and spare tire!
       
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      Thats funny Alec, I have the same problem. I guess they figure big truck cant stop faster then my little car so I can ride right up his ass.

      I've got a BII with d35 front discs and 8.8 rear discs all loaded with carbon metallic pads. So if I want her to she will stop on a friggin dime. The nose dicves about 12" and the rear end goes 12" up inthe air but she stops straight, true, and QUICK. I have had two close calls and one guy go right under my Duff bumper, 1/2 way up the hood of his Galant, lifted both my rear tires off the ground 3". The other guy in the Subaru WRX the other day managed to skid around me when I decided I was going to stop for the yellow, I guess he figured I wouldnt, but once you decide you cant change your mind. He must have missed my bumper by 4" or so, I was watching in my mirror. He pulled up next to me at the light after allwas said and done and I commended him on his fine piece of driving, not many people can navigate a car around an obstacle with all 4's locked up (or pulsing since I;m sure it ABS) he did a quick manouver in a sort amount of time! Very impressive I thought, I mean it;s not like a 10 MPH WRX is gonna hurt my drop down hitch, duff bumper, or gas tank skidplate. the guy in the Galant is just lucky I had my Warn tow strap shackle thingy in my hitch instead of ,y 6" drop down for the boat or it would have gone right through his grill, rad, and probably intake.

      I get sick of people assuming they can ride my ass because I am in a lifted truck, not smart people, not smart.
       
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      Come on. Did ya really have to ask that question? :D
       
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      This happes to me also, whenever I'm in a friends car we've never been tail-gated, but in our trucks or just about any suv I've ridden in there is always someone riding right on our ass, and it is normally Hondas (also no bashing on them). WTF is up with that, I hope they know that one short stop will rip the front of their car off:D
      And Explorers have the best brakes, I've had to stop short while pulling our waverunners or boats and they performed flawlessly, not to mention the plenty of times that I've had to stop short in normal traffic and then hearing the tires screech and seeing smoke comming from the car behind me who didn't realize an suv could stop so fast;) , oh well, I'm not worried because if someone nails me my trailer hitch and ball is gonna rip their car to shreds. I'm not sure about other suv's but an Explorer is almost in sports-car territory for 60-0 braking and will also embaress plenty of cars with so called "sporty intentions":p
       
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      Also depends on the quality of the brake pad materials.

      Case in point, my old 76 Chevelle had 12" rotors up front and 11"x2" drums in the rear, with organic pads (car needs metallics) the brakes would overheat at the drop of a hat, even with cool brakes it still took a lot longer to stop than with OEM brakes. Those didn't last long on there. I put some GM brake pads from a 95 Impala SS on it (yes they have the same chassis) and it had very good braking. In 1974 (73-77 Chevelles are all the same) C&D posted a 70-0 distance of 189 feet on bias ply tires, no ABS, and a 4100 lbs car. With modern rubber, good pads and lots of miles behind the wheel of it I could stop that car in a HURRY if I needed to, which was quite often since people seemed to be attracted to lots of chrome it seemed, I got very good at doing avoidance manouvers with it's slow steering and moderate body roll (which is like saying the stock Explorer has no body roll in sharp turns)

      My other car was an '86 Pontiac 6000 STE and it had 4 wheel discs, which one would think would allow the car to stop even better. boy was I wrong, it stopped in 204 feet according to C&D in '85 the standard 6000 with 10" rotors and 9" drums stopped 10 feet shorter, instead of 10" rotors all the way around.

      Now I'm very impressed with the Explorer braking, I just wished it didn't dive as much as it does.
       
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      I fixed some of the diving on my Mountianeer with new Bilsteins.
       
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      On 33's my Explorer stops very quickly but on 36's it takes a little longer. Not so much that it is dangerous but enough that you notice how much harder the pedal needs to be pushed.
       

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