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Are subs necessary?

Discussion in 'Explorer Audio & Navigation' started by huskyfan23, December 12, 2004.

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    1. huskyfan23

      huskyfan23 Rah no Hans Bwix

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      OK. I've been seriously considering getting rid of my subs. My amp's been in the shop (almost 6 weeks) and I'm kinda liking not having the subs, but the bass is still lacking with my coaxials. I was wondering if I switched to some decent components up front and got rid of my subs, do you think I'd be satisfied? The Durango has an Infinity system with components and I like the sound. Of course, it being stock the sound can only improve with aftermarket speakers. What components do you all recommend? I've heard good things about the Infinity Reference and JBL systems. If I were to switch to components would it be best if I used kickpanels (like those by Q-Logic) or if I mounted the tweeters closer to my head and the mids in the stock location? Thanks!
       
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      celly disturber of the peace Elite Explorer

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      Once you use a sub, you'll never be satisfied without one. Stealth mount a 10" or something.
       
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      I agree. I've been in a Lexus with their high dollar sound system, and it frankly doesn't sound as good. Speakers work better when they have less tasks to do: if you take out the subs, the mains have to do the work of a mid-range and bassy sounds.
       
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      I could certainly live without the box in the back, but after you have a decent sounding sub setup, it's hard to live without the bass. Even with high quality speakers you miss part of the music with no bass. I had to listen to mine for a few days without one and I hated it. A 10 in the rear pocket may be the way to go. Or for some filler bass, get some midbass 6.5, or some actual 6.5 woofers, and run them in the lower speaker slots in the front doors.
       
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      If you're going to go w/o a sub I'd see if you can fit a 6x9 in the doors. Any 5-6" component system is going to have a near impossible time creating the bass you want with the cone size it has.

      Back when I had my '86 Toyota Pickup I played with subs a lot since there was practicaly no room in the cab. The subs I ended up likeing best with were a pair of high end 3-way JBL 6x9 with the tweets removed. I sound treated the door and sealed them in. I had a flat frequency responce down to 30 Hz :cool:
       
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      Call me crazy but I'm not missing the subs.. The Durango delivers the bass I need with its Inifinity setup, and it really is surprising, you've gotta hear it to believe it. Maybe I should be asking this question: What brands should I look at? Should I buy 3-way or 2-way? Kickpanels? Thanks.
       
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    11. huskyfan23

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      Thanks for all the extremely helpful posts so far :D
       
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      Well then, to answer your your initial question: If you think it sounds good as is, then no, YOU don't need a sub. :p
       
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      No, subs aren't neccissary, quite frankly a radio really is not a necissity.
      It is just a what floats your boat thing. Decent after market speakers can go down pretty dang low. Subs much like tweets, just add and accent the existing system.

      I will agree too though, once you get used to it, any thing else is just not quite as enjoyable
       
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      some 6x9 3-ways are your best bet
       
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      I'd much rather have a 6.5 than an oval speaker. Kickpanels are generally better. If I was getting kickpanels, I'd definately get components.
       
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      Well.. What a coincidence. A member on here posted some CDT EF-61CFi components for sale, the EXACT model I was looking at purchasing from a dealer on SoundDomain, but I got a much better deal here. I'll install these and see how I like them with the subs, and then pull the subs to see the difference. If I like it with just the components I'll have some few month old subs and a 1600w rms amp for sale soon.
       
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      cool, although I dont know why you're asking if you will be satisfied if you remove your subs? lol Its a real subjective thing, do whateva you want man!

      if you wanna go components and no subs, you could do a 6.5 set in the doors, and a 5.25 in kick panels? I just picked up a set of components to go in the doors too.
       
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      Yeah these are 6.5. I'm putting the mids in the doors and tweeters somewhere else. I'm gonna put sticky tape on to find the best location. Maybe further on down I'll add another set to some kickpanels.
       
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      Tweets are meant to be placed as close to the woofer as possible. There are even component sets available that "float" the tweeter over the woofer. This gives you the best accuracy and SQ. As for getting kicks or putting them in the door it's up to you, personally I am happy with keeping foot space and putting them in the doors. 6x9s are good for gettng more bass, but round speakers are better equipped to produce accurate sound (though with the size of woofers we are referring to it will be hard to get accurate bass tones anyways.) You will be hard pressed to fit 6x9 speakers in your doors in the first place if I remember correctly, it will take some heavy fabricating, too much of a pain in the butt if you ask me.
      If it were me I would get a good set of components. I put infinity reference components in a lot of cars and they sound great and are not power hungry. Get them from a major retailer and get a service plan so you can abuse them to your hearts content without worry. After all, if you blow them it is a swap out for new ones. Pretty sweet.
       
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      You're right! Chrysler systems are pretty amazing, even the low end radios. We had a '94 Town & Country and that system can blow my Acura's system out the water. The highs are crisp and the lows are low enough.

      But IMO, I don't think subs are necessary. My Acura's system can pump enough bass to the point where it can annoy my parents. Heh...they always know when I come home at night b/c of it. 6x9's do really produce the most bass, without the help of subwoofers, IMO. Those speakers, stock Honda crap too, can make my interior mirror shake like crazy (thank goodness the mirror is screwed into the headliner). :D The front 6 speakers (2 full range on doors, 2 tweeters on the dash, and 2 mids on the ceiling) do help a lot in terms of highs and completing the imaging.

      Now, I'm thinking of getting a pair of Infinity 2-way 6x9's to replace the rear ones. You guys think that's a good pair?
       
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      Putting 6x9's in isn't very hard, and can easily be done in a day, if that's what you wanted.
       
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      i got sick of the 2 10inch subs i used to have in my old car
       

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