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So let me first start with a quick introduction .. my name is Barack Obama and apparently I'm the junior US Senator from Illinois :thumbsup: . I love slow walks on the beach and bed-side stories. Yeah I'm talking to you big boy:

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Okay now onto the goods...

So recently I've been starting a few threads all relating to my Dana 44 front axle and other tid bits - so I figured it would be best if I just started an SAS thread to pull all of those threads together into one centralize place instead of having them floating about the sea of other threads.

Follow me now as I look back on the threads that I've started:

1) Reading Pinion Depth Number In this thread, I was confused on which number was the pinion depth offset number of my ring and pinion set for the Dana 44. After calling up the good people of Randy's Ring and Pinion, I was told that the numbers on the ring and pinion are no longer used for the pinion depth offset. So I'm like wtf m8!? They did give me a number to start from and so thats what I started with.

2) Ford 9" For Off-Road Use In this thread, I ask the general public what they think about the Ford-9" axle for off-road use. Conclusion, bowties - the GM 14-bolt axle with the stock Detroit locker is a God's send and so thats what I'm going with (it comes with a pinion bearing support - just like the Ford-9").

3) RE SuperFlex Assemby I've never put together a Rubicon Express SuperFlex Joint so in this thread, I ask the public how in the world these things are put togehter. And to be more specific, I was confused how to drive the plastic bushings into the housing. Conclusion - use a press <- faaantastic.

4) Hi-Steer Arms 10-degree Correction In this fabulous discussion, we discuss the ever-popular 10-degree correction that is often placed on High-Steer Arms. In the end, I decided to go with the Sky-Manufacturing arms (although I never updated the thread I dont think - darnit).

5) Dana 44 Ball Joint Sleeve > Replace? Ah finally, the pain in the asymptote. In this thread, which I have yet to resolve really, the problem is that the upper Ball Joint sleeve has frozen itself onto the "C" (aka inner knuckle). The issue has yet to be resolved so no conclusion yet.


Well then, lets dive into some concepts and design ideas.

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As you can see, the front axle is located via a 3-link with a panhard bar. Each link will be mounted to the chassis using Rubicon Express Large SuperFlex Joint. Why go with the RE Joint? Well I was quite impressed at how much JEFE's front axle flexed - so I decided to go with the same joint. I recently asked him whether or not he has broken the 9/16" bolts used to attach the joint to the chassis and he said no - a big :thumbsup: . The link's body is made of a 2"x2" - 0.25" wall square tube - similar to Clayton Off-Road's long arms. Currently, my calculations are aiming for the bottom links to be 38.7" in length and the upper to be 34.2" (figures may change). This gives me an anti-dive of about 105% but I will make the upper link adjustable vertically at the chassis so the anti-dive characteristic can be fine tuned. The bottom links are angled "toe-out" becaue the Dana 44 is a "Wide-Track" axle and the Explorer's chassis is about 2" narrower than the Wide-Track axle's ideal mounting points. The "toe-out" angle however is not severe : about 2" out for the about total 38" length. The two bottom links are attached to the axle via a regular rubber-bushing. The upper "third" link is attached to the axle with the same type of rubber bushing except this one is adjustable - to allow for pinion angle changes.

Onto the front axle itself: As stated, the front "Wide Track" axle is from a Grand Wagoneer (I believe '86). Currently, its geared 5.13 with open differential. I'll throw in a locker in the future after I get this running. The axle was originally running the Wagoneer 6-lug bolt pattern but, because the rear GM 14-bolt is 8-lug, I switched the Dana 44 to 8-lug pattern using parts from a K20 (caliper bracket from a J20). As for the high-steer arms, as stated previously, I decided to go with SkyManufacturing's standard arms with the 10-degree correction angle (arms are on their way from CA).

The steering gear box is out of an IFS Toyota and the entire steering setup will utilize only Chevy TRE's except at the pitman arm.

The front axle will be suspended by Fox 2.5" Nitrogen Air Shocks with 16" of travel.

The rear axle, again as stated before, is a GM 14-bolt with a Detroit locker. Initially, it will be leaf sprung using the Explorer's stock leaf springs (with an AAL and WAR153s). However, I do plan on going 4-link in the near future after the Explorer starts rolling again.

Now onto some newbie pics..


The axle the day it arrived from New Jersey:
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Before last winter came, I emptied an entire can of Liquid Wrench (and other llubricants) into the differential to soak everything down in preparation for the following spring.
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When spring finally came, the axle was torn down:
d44_housing.jpg


New carrier and new gears. The carrier bearings below are the set-up bearings which have had their inner races grinded down for repetative installation and removal on the carrier while the pinion and ring gear geometry was fine tuned:
d44_carrier.jpg

Spring also brought wheeling weather and I got high-centered on a rock so I decided to SOA the back for fun (the thing on the back is my snowboard and bike rack) and had to get my driveshaft retubed because it popped in half:
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The caliper brakets from a J20 after sand blasting and a coat of epoxy paint:
d44_caliperbracket_painted.jpg


Flat-top knuckles from a J10 masked off and ready for some epoxy paint:
d44_knuckle_ready_for_paint.jpg


Inner "C"s on the front axle sliced from the axle tubes (and temporarily knocked out about .125" for easier rotation) to set proper caster angle:
inner_c_sliced.jpg


Chevy K20 8-lug rotors .. "Oh my Mr. Obama, what big rotors you have. Why yes Sally, I do have big rotors." :
d44_rotor.jpg


Chevy K20 calipers:
d44_caliper.jpg


And finally for now, the RE SuperFlex joints:
re_joint.jpg


As for tires, right now I have a set of 36" TSL-SX's I bought for cheap from a local individual.


So what's in the future? Well the rest of the link parts are on their way - as well as the high steer arms. The Fox shocks will be purchased in about 2 weeks and the 14-bolt axle will be picked up about 3 weeks to a month after that. The rear axle is the least of my worries so that's the last thing on this Senator's mind.
 



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Alright. thanks for the quick reply. This helps a lot
 



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Oh and just to clarify, that pic was taken with the front axle removed from the vehicle, so all driveshafts and links are just danglign or resting on the ground and not at proper angles.
 






ok It seems like what was going on. So what did your anti squat and roll axis numbers come out being?
 






I dont think roll axis can be easily calculated with a leaf spring setup in the rear. However, on a linked supension roll center is typically just the panhard mount on the axle.

As for the anti-squat (or "anti-dive" when applied to the front), it came out to be a little on the high side, something like 130-ish or so. The constraint of this number of course is the chassis end of the link - you can only separate the two links from each other so far (and the angles are limited too). This is one of the reasons why I would really love to build a buggy instead of the Explorer - everything can be at the right dimensions and right config, where as the Explorer is mostly a bunch of compromises due to the existing frame rail, engine location, the bends on the frame rail and so on...
 






Yea but I guess that goes for any kind of truck or SUV'S. I mean they wern't really ment to do the things we do with them. A buggy is built specific. That was close to the same number I was getting when I was calculating with a longer upper link. I feel a little better now. It's starting to sound like the link calculator isn't a very helpful tool (at least for our application).
 






It's starting to sound like the link calculator isn't a very helpful tool (at least for our application).
For me, the link calculator was more of a simulator than a design tool. Like what characteristics does moving the upper link 2-inches vertically do, and so on. You can use the link calculator to basically get a rough estimate of what the vehicle will be like. But using it to tweak the Explorer's setup to the dream config is almost impossible because, again, the Explorer's dimensions and so on, limit the component's position and geometry.

What I found more useful are the many 3 and 4 link theory articles on PBB that includes many of the lessons-learned and what has worked for some people and what has not.
 






What I found more useful are the many 3 and 4 link theory articles on PBB that includes many of the lessons-learned and what has worked for some people and what has not.
like you said, from what I read a lot of them realized that the calculator isn't really close at all. They ended up scrapping it and just used trial and error.
 






... the calculator isn't really close at all. They ended up scrapping it and just used trial and error.
Yeah.

Which is kind of unfortunate for us because similar calculators work so well for road suspensions, and here we are kind of blindly putting together trial and error configs -- which just wastes time and $$.

So I think as long as you stick with the fundamentals (mostly from the PBB threads) and a little bit of common sense, then anyone should be able to setup a "good enough" configuration (not a competition configuration of course) on an Explorer. On the other hand, one thing I always like to see is ingenuity and people trying different things, and maybe even coming up with new and wild approaches to how things are set up -- you know, going outside of the "box".
 












Please, I beg you, drop out of the presidential race.............the country is in enough trouble already.:p: I heard you will not pledge allegiance to the American Flag:salute:, and were raised in a family that pratices the most violent, anti-American sect of the muslim faith:mad:. And your middle name is "Hussein":eek:. Its probably just all right wing propaganda though.:D:thumbsup:
 






Please, I beg you, drop out of the presidential race.............the country is in enough trouble already.:p: I heard you will not pledge allegiance to the American Flag:salute:, and were raised in a family that pratices the most violent, anti-American sect of the muslim faith:mad:. And your middle name is "Hussein":eek:. Its probably just all right wing propaganda though.:D:thumbsup:
Ahaha Hi Mr. Kennedy :D

Yes you got it correct, its mostly right wing propaganda. But I, Barack Obama, am saddened of the political party entrenchment which we've barricaded ourselves in. This is an America by the people and for the people, not an America rulled by Republicans or Democrats. And as such, labelling ourselves party A or party B is just another form of segregation -- which many in history such as MLK have laid down their lives fighting. So having said all that, I'd say its not so much as right wing propaganda, but hateration propaganda -- they need to put down the Haterade and get back out in the communities actually helping out the average Joe.

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Thanks, had a good laugh! Watching you walk the ridges at Truckhaven makes me wonder about your presidential fortitude.:D Or, maybe it was just misdirection, making me think I should wonder about your presidential fortitude......hmmmmmmmm.................hmmmmmmmmm..........must ponder this for awhile.
Nice speach by the way, you only contridicted yourself a few times in each paragraph.:thumbsup: You should go out drinking with my uncle Teddie, he is a real party animal. Just don't let him drive across any bridges.;)
 






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Yo Barack, any updates/pics of that D60?
 






Yo ZainyD! Nope sorry the dana 60 is just chilling in the basement. I haven't even bought a single part for it yet. But no worries cauz its still January. I'll start buying parts in a month and it should still be on schedule for a spring or early summer install.

But the 44 on the other hand just snapped another axle shaft last Sunday. I tried climb up a 3ft vertical concrete form with some pretty slipperry stuff under it, kept pushing and pushing and BAM, the axle shaft said "you know what, I'm going to chillax right here".

Crappy pic:
 

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geeez. Thank God i went straight to a 60.
 






The problem is that the Explorer is too heavy -- man I need to build a bugeeeeyy
 












The white thing right derrrr.. I know you like it right derr right derrr -- snaps.

But to be serious, the white thing is at my friend's backyard, collecting spideyss..
 



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The problem is that the Explorer is too heavy -- man I need to build a bugeeeeyy

Yeah i know. Right now without any junk in my mounty and with little under 3/4 tank full of gas im weighing in at 5870 pounds. Add a full tank of gas when i wheel, spare front shafts and u-joints and tools as well as a spare tire im prolly tipping in at 6200 pounds.
 






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