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Correct steering stabalizers for 94?

Discussion in 'Modified 1991-1994 Explorers' started by gmanpaint, June 24, 2011.

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    1. gmanpaint

      gmanpaint Back in 5 minutes Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

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      2" lift running 33"x12.5" BFG KM2.

      Getting the death wobble and want to add a stabilizer. Problem is which one?

      Any links, part #'s and brands are appreciated.
       
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      On our '92 I'm running a Rancho Rs5402 stabilizer
      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CB6FOW/ref=wms_ohs_product_T2

      For the bracket I'm using a Rancho RS5537
      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CB7GG8/ref=wms_ohs_product_T2

      Here is a shot with it installed.. It wasn't hard to install. Just had to drill a few holes in the cross member.

      [​IMG]
      Front-suspension-shots 002 by maniak_az, on Flickr

      It did "help" but it didn't fix the bad 45mph wobble we had.. In our case, bent rims (2 of them) were causing the issue.

      ~Mark
       
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      You might try rotating first the left front and rear tire, then the right if the problem still exists... hopefully it goes away!

      Bent wheels, out of round tires, bad balance jobs, etc... all can cause the wobble.

      I removed my stabilizer, but I'm pretty **** about tires/rims too. :)
       
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      Thanks guys!

      Tires have less than 10k, and are dyno bead balanced to specs. Wheels are not bent, dented, or out of round. I will be changing ball joints, and tie rod ends as well.

      I have read that a stabilizer is just a band-aid to some other issues, but also have read that they do help when going to bigger tires. When I run the 31x10.5 AT, there is no death wobble at any speeds.

      I want the 33's back on, but need to do the work first.
       
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      Stupid Suggestion: Have you checked your hub bearing and races? If those are loose or just plain screwed, it can cause some serious wobble issues; before, ya know, exploding.
       
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      i just ordered the James duff one and will be putting it on teu or wed
       
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      The rig has just had the "Once" over as it was due for inspections. Nothing serious was found, but the tie rod boots have a hole in them and the grease escapes. I'm sure the entire front end can use a rebuild sometime in the future, but it's really not that bad right now.

      The Hubs have been converted to manuals, and I check the spindle nuts routinely.

      James Duff kit work on stock set up or is it used with one of their lifts?
       
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      I have to agree with Nedwreck, you probably have some issue with your tires (if not balancing, maybe one of them is out of round).

      I have 35x12.50s on mine and never a hint of a wobble, no stabilizer (my tires were balanced dynamically using weights on both sides of the rim).
       
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      Gregg, I once thought I needed one for the Limited because things seemed "fine" but then after replacing nearly everything on the front end the steering was great on it and no wobble type feeling :)
       
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      Sorry, but the wheels and tires are fine. I have them on a different rig right now and there smooth as glass.

      It probably is something in the suspension components.
       
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      It's great that you've verified everything.

      I just took off a set of A/Ts due to a developing wobble, the M/Ts wobbled too.. then I bought a used set of Interco M/T's and all my problems went away. All this in the last week or two. Argh.
       
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      I had pretty bad wobble at 30, 45 and 70mph running only 31's. It ended up being the toe and camber were off. After an alignment everything is great!
       
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      I agree that the stabilizer is a band-aid for other problems. I run 35s and I can't tell the difference with or without the stabilizer when it's aligned properly.

      That being said, if you offroad at all it's a good idea since things can happen on the trail which cause your alignment to be out of whack. The stabilizer can make for a much less stressful drive home.
       
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      Well, there had to be a reason to make these stabilizers. A lot of people use them. :scratch:

      I think the alignment is off a bit with the 33's. The camber is def more noticeable with the 33's on the pass side. I did have the camber spacers changed when going to the 31's, and I might need to get them changed again and another alignment done.
       
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      the James duff one would not fit my truck at all.i have 5.5 with the fa 600 arm though.looks like it would fit a stock one
       
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      OK, I have a JD stabilizer shock, & a Rancho Mount kit. :D

      Since Maniak has got his to work fine with the Rancho kit, thats what I decided to use, and the JD shock had a great price.

      I actually forgot about this thread, and glad I found it again. Going to try to get this installed today.
       
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      Man so did i.the problem is with the fa600 arm.mine fit and have been using it for awile now.i had to flip the mount around and mount it to the inside of the motor crossbar where stock they want you to mount it to the outside.the shock does rub on my steering arm at full lock tho.if you dont have the fa600 arm then it will mount jist fine.
       
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      Bummer man.

      This is going on a stock set up. It has the F-150 coil spacers for a tiny lift is all. Hoping it works fine. My steering bars are perfectly straight across right now, so crossing the ole fingers that it works with no rub issues.
       
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      It will fit fine if you dont have the fa600 arm.just use all the jd stuff and send the other back.or atleast try it with the jd stuff first.
       
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      All I have is the Rancho mounts. I already had it, so I didn't order the JD mount kit.

      I just got the rear shocks on, and am going to start this now. Pics to follow :)
       
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      O right on.good luck,standing by for pics;)
       
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      Welp, was easier than I thought it would be. :)

      Just getting that cross member bracket holes drilled out was the hardest part, but no biggie really. Step bits rock! :D

      [​IMG]

      I installed it with the rod to the pumkin side so the james duff lettering wouldn't be upside down ;)
       
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      Looks good.same direction i installed mine.
       
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      Nice pic , Thanks , I have a rancho stabilizer i bought used from Bmxking5 Bryan in 2005 haha , lost some of the hardware so thanks for the links also , Going to be putting mine on soon as well since my alignment is off and i need new tires before i do the alignment , Thanks Again for the pic It will help me decide where to mount it on the X member !!
       
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      Okay, since I haven't really seen a how to on this....

      After placing the front of the rig on jack stands (frame location only) and choking the wheels, do the following:

      1) Attach the bracket with U-bolts to the tie rod bar kind of snug, but not tight all the way towards the alignment sleeve.

      2) Attach the stabilizer shock to that bracket.

      3) Start the engine and crank the wheel all the way to the right and lock it. (Turn off engine)

      4) Connect other end of stabilizer shock to the other bracket snugly.

      5) Clean off the bottom of the engine cross member.

      6) Pull the shock as to fully extend it. (If the other bracket moves, snug it a bit more) Push it back in 1/2".

      7) Place the bracket & stabilizer up under the engine cross member. Center it, and mark it for drilling the 2 holes. I marked the passenger side outside edge with a soap stone, then marked one hole dead center. Remove bracket from stabilizer. ( Trick here is to have the shock extended almost all the way and allow the bracket to sit on the dr side with out going past it. If it is too far center or too far drivers, move the tie rod bracket and snug it again )

      8) Check the bracket once again to make sure the markings line up. Drill a 5/16" Hole where you have it marked. Bolt the bracket up with one bolt. Mark the 2nd hole dead center with a punch thru the hole.

      9) Drill the 2nd 5/16" hole. Bolt up the bracket to a minimum of 25 ft lbs.

      10) Attach the stabilizer and tighten it up good. Watch the bushings so you don't smash them too much. Just go by feel and looks here.

      11) Remove the stabilizer from the tie rod bar bracket, and tighten all 4 nuts to a min of 25 ft lbs evenly. Just a little at a time on each nut to make sure they end up with the same amount of thread showing on the U-bolts. Attach the stabilizer and tighten just like the other side.

      12) Start engine and check for any interference with the ends by turning the wheel back to the left, and right again.

      That's it! Your done :)
       

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