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Solved Everything you wanted to know about PATS.

Discussion in 'Under the Hood' started by fixxxer, January 22, 2009.

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    1. CoalHeat

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      Yes, I believe you are correct.
       
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      Take a look at FORScan for free OBD software. I'm 99% sure it can do this but you may have to ask for a licence key. (Also free)
      The software is free buy you'll need an adapter. Should be able to get that for under ten bucks.

      Link to ForScan FORScan Home

      This page explains the software key. You only need the key for a few PATS related things. They basically don't want you using it to steal cars.
      Standard and Extended licenses for Windows - FORScan forum
       
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      That looks interesting, thank you. I will have to read further after work.
      I did contact a certain company in Florida that touts their ability to repair/reprogram/supply every kind of electronic module ever installed in an vehicle, my intention was to ask if I can ship them the PATS module and the PCM for analysis/repair/replacement, but the guy never even let me finish explaining the issue, wanted me to call back when I knew exactly what part I wanted, said if they start answering questions then the calls start stacking up" and then basically hung up on me. So much for that! I would have shipped them the units and probably spent money there, had the PCM updated, etc.
       
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      I have to find out if there is a version for iPad, since I don't have a laptop, plus an adaptor for the diagnostic connecter that plugs into the Lightning connector on the iPad, or even better a Bluetooth adaptor. A year and a half ago I pulled the engine and replaced the entire timing gear/chain/guide system. To be honest that was almost easy compared to the aggravation this is causing!
      Thanks for all your help, Bob. I'll let you know how it goes when I investigate your links.
       
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      I would try and reinitialize the PATS module to the ECU before spending any money on anything. Software and adapter is a 10 dollar investment.
      Looks like it's not to complicated.

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      You are correct. I was getting frustrated.
       
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      Looks like a WiFi adaptor is required for Apple devices. I saw the info on the Standard and Extended user agreements for Windows, I don't see anything for Apple OS. I need to find out first if there is a similar arrangement to get the extended license for the OS version I would think. FORScan is available in the Apple store for $4.95.
       
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      I think you are going to need a Windows based pc or laptop. (Used ones are dirt cheap on ebay)
      Looks like apple and android won't do complicated reset or write functions.

      ELM327-compatible adapters - how to choose - FORScan forum


      4. Recommendations

      Table 4.1 - recommendations on adapters
      NO - not recommended for this platform
      D - recommended for diagnostic: read PID, read/reset DTC, simple service functions
      C - recommended for configuration: write configuration parameters to modules, complex service functions
      P - recommended for programmign: complex configuration, firmware update (only for CAN )

      Adapter FORScan for Windows FORScan Lite for iOS FORScan Lite for Android
      ELM327 OHP HS/MS WiFi (clone) NO D NO
      Kiwi 3 NO D (if MS-CAN is not required) NO
      ELM327 HS/MS USB D, C, P NO NO
      OBDLink SX D, C, P (if MS-CAN is not required) NO NO
      OBDLink LX D (if MS-CAN is not required) NO D (if MS-CAN is not required)
      OBDLink MX BT D, C NO D
      OBDLink MX WiFi NO NO NO
      ELS27 v3 D, C, P NO D
      Viaken STN1170 USB D, C, P NO NO
      Viaken STN1170 BT NO NO NO
       
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      That is what I was thinking as well. Worse case is I'd have to buy one as you indicated if I can't find a friend to help.
      I'm holding off right now anyway. I found a '98 for sale in North Jersey that runs but the seller says it has transmission "issues". He accepted my offer for it. Once I get it here I will rob the PCM, PATS module, and ignition lock out of it and install everything in my truck. I might have to follow the instructions makuloco has on his youTube channel to clear out the PCM so it can relearn all the drivability parameters, we'll see. At lease I will have a parts truck sitting here. It's the base model, XL, too bad it's not an Eddie Bauer or Limited.
       
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      So here's the story: I let the truck sit there with the battery disconnected for approx 5 days, I was busy doing other things and also bought another Explorer to rob the PCM, PATS module, and keys from. Just out of curiosity I tried to start my truck on Tuesday afternoon. It started right up. It's been starting and running fine since. I'm thinking that sitting with the battery disconnected accomplished the same result that happens with the radio, where it loses all the presets after a few days without power. Maculoco also has a procedure outlined on his YouTube channel for completely clearing out the PCM, I thought that only erased the drivability info, but it might work for the issue I had.
      Meanwhile I now have a presentable '98 XL sitting here, it is supposed to have a "bad" transmission. It starts and runs fine, drives fine and goes through all the gears fine too, until it gets up to operating temperature, then the trans starts to slip until it won't move at all. If I let it sit for 10 minutes it will engage and move again. I'll mess around with it at some point, I got it for $500.
       
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      Nice. What engine is in the new one?
       
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      The truck I just bought has the pushrod V6 in it.
      My victory was short-lived, it won't start today, which I expected to happen, which is why I didn't take it anywhere far away yesterday.
       
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      The end of the story: The crankshaft sensor was faulty, was showing low voltage. Sometimes the truck would start, sometimes not. It runs better now too.
      I have no idea why it was setting the P1260 code. Since last Friday it was been starting and running fine.
      I also had a horrific sound that would change frequency with speed changes and come and go, I found the heavy plastic shield on the gas tank that protects the tank if the front u joint on the rear driveshaft flies apart had slipped sideways and was hitting the driveshaft. I noticed it was loose when I dropped the tank to change the fuel pump a few months ago, I should have used some wire and secured it to the tank. Next time I am under the truck for servicing I will secure it permanently, for now I just pushed it back in place.
       
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      Crank no start has code p1000 and p1260
      Tried 2 original keys that worked for years through Monday ...Tuesday crank no start issue. My theft light is acting normal condition slow blink unarmed insert get turn on lights for 3 seconds goes out.
       

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