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Ex won't start, code 542, is it fuel pump?

Discussion in 'Stock 1995 - 2001 Explorers' started by IronCurtain, December 4, 2017.

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  1. IronCurtain

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    Hello, so I bought my 1995 ford explorer eddie bauer edition about 3 months ago. It has 210k, but runs (well ran) really strong and interior and exterior are in rather great shape....

    About a month ago the CEL came on and I got code 327 "egr valve pressure transducer /position sensor circuit below minimum voltage." Could be coincidental but around same time the explorer started intermittently stalling at stop lights, coming off highway exits, during cornering, but generally when coming to a stop. Always started right up tho first try.

    I did explorer forum search and saw that it could be caused by the ignition, which actually is a bit loose anyway. The key has a bit of wiggle room when it's in and turned on, and when the key is out I can wiggle the ignition socket around a bit, but can't start it without the key.

    So I started holding the key in when I would take corners and come to a stop, and only once did it ever shut off on me again. Oh yeah, and it would give me a hard time starting it, if it had been run for a while, say over 20 or 30 mins... When I came back to start it after it had been shut off for at least 5 or 10 mins, It would take a couple tries and even stall out right away, but after a couple tries and if I just put it in drive right away and pulled off, it would stay running.

    Anyway

    Last night I drove it 40 miles on highway, wasn't having any problems at all until I took the exit, which at that point it just died. No warning or sputtering or anything just cut out. I put it in neutral and tried to start it back up like I had done countless times before, but this time it would not start at all.

    I coasted into a gas station parking lot, where it still sits. I now get code 542...."fuel pump circuit open; battery to pcm."

    It cranks over fine, and at first it actually tried to start back up but just died and then after a bunch of tries, it didn't even come close to starting.

    I turned the key to on position, but don't hear the fuel pump turn on. I checked all fuses, they're fine, and I replaced the relay, nothing helped. I removed the relay and used a test light, and do get constant power out of one, and when I turn the key on I get constant power out of 2 little connection thingys that the relay fits into.

    I also checked the inertia switch, pushed it up and down, nothing helped, and I also checked for power there, but nothing. (I disconnected the 3 wires from the switch and put key to on position, tested the wires with test light.... Nothing)

    I really don't want to drop gas tank unless I have to. In fact if I have to, I might just do what I saw in a different thread and take my back seat out and cut an access hole through the floor, to get to the pump.

    Should I cut the access hole and check for power going to the pump? Also, where are all the grounds for that particular circuit (from fuse to pump) I feel like maybe a ground was shorting out when I took corners or something and then when I took the exit it just disconnected.

    It's hard for me to get under and look, I can't get it up on jackstands or anything.

    Thanks in advance for any help I love this forum :)
     
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  3. J8McMahon

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    The code is for a secondary pump circuit failure. Either the pump, or the pump relay is faulty. Unfortunately you've already tried the relay so that means it is the pump that is broken. Problem with that is, as you already know, pump is embedded in tank. You stated you could probably try to access only the pump, but it would be better off IMO to just go ahead and replace the whole tank. Best of luck.
     
  4. IronCurtain

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    Thanks for your response! But why no voltage at the inertia switch?
     
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    If the relay is working you should have power at the inertia switch. I don't have the 95 wiring diagram but 96 should be similar. Maybe a bad wire?
    From what I see on the diagram, the computer gets voltage directly from the relay(and that is how the code is set, I believe). If you are getting that code, the relay could be bad OR you have an intermittent problem that happens at random times, over bumps, etc.

    You can jumper 12V to the PK/BK wire at the inertia switch, that goes to the pump.
     
  6. daisyrocky

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    You can cut out a door under the rear seat while the tank is removed for fuel pump replacement. That way in the future you can replace the pump without removing tank or get under the truck.
     
  7. IronCurtain

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    I'm going to do it while the tank is there. I'm going to do it in about an hour. If I never post again u know what happened.
     
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    Well what a day. So I cut the bitch ass access hole after removing the back seats, neither of which was easy, but cutting the hole was the worst part. Then 5 of the 6 bolts to remove pump were rusted as hell and I couldn't get them out with socket or wrench so I drilled them out. What a bitch.

    I take the pump unit out and finally figure out how to take it apart to actually get to the pump (it's 8 pm by now), and remove the pump.

    I got a cheap pump from O'Reilly parts and the 2 wires coming out were gray and black instead of red and black so I wasn't sure which was which. So I hooked up a live 12v wire and ground and figured out the gray is power. I had the old pump out, so for shits and giggles I hooked it to live 12v wire and ground, and the ****ing thing started whirring!

    What a trip. So I figured it must be ok so I get it all back together (9:30 pm by now), start the ex and it fired right up.

    I do a victory dance in my parking lot and leave it running while I clean everything up. After 5 minutes it shuts off and won't start again.

    Well **** me.

    So tomorrow morning I'm going to take it all apart again and put the new pos pump in and see if it'll stay working. Fingers crossed.

    I'm curious if anyone knows what the grey wire is, going to pump? I think it has red stripe... The yellow wire is for the float, the black is ground, and the pink is power coming from inertia switch. Ain't got a clue what the grey wire is for.
     
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    I don't see anything about a filter? Maybe change that too? It is original, there is your problem!

    I don't let mine go under 1/2 because I fear this job! I also change the filter every 15K. The way my fuel tank looks I would probably just order one, it is quite rusty. Don't have the balls to drill around a tank, especially at the top with all the vapors.

    The grey wire may be the pressure sensor for emissions, to see if the gas cap is on.
     
  10. IronCurtain

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    Ok more trouble. I got new pump installed truck starts and runs (well ran) fine. I drove with no issues 2 miles to store, start it back up and it gives me trouble. Starts running very rough, I get halfway home and it dies.

    Fuel pump is still working, and I changed fuel filter.

    Now I'm getting all kinds of codes.

    171
    172
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    176
    181
    189

    327

    542
    556

    Niw 8 know 327 is egr related. Could it have finally capped out on me? Engine seems to want to start, but won't.

    Most of these codes are indicating heated oxygen sensor indicates lean condition on both sides. Idk what to do next.
     
  11. IronCurtain

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    Now after I got it towed to my house I'm seeing what I think is power steering fluid leaking, because I'm pretty sure the tow truck guy wrapped the chain around the front axle and accidentally also wrapped it around a power steering hose. Going to wait til morning to see if I can hopefully just tighten up the hose assuming the chain pulled it out of whack.
     
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    I'm thinking fuel pressure regulator now. Also dpfe sensor.
     
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    So today I replaced the fuel pressure regulator, and egr relay. Waiting to get the battery charged up so I can try to start it. Fingers crossed.

    So far, brand new:

    Fuel pump
    Fuel filter
    Fuel pressure regulator
    Egr sensor.

    I guess if it doesn't start, idk maybe throw a match in the fuel tank? I have a handy opening now :)

    20171206_150257.jpg

    Yep, 5 out of the 6 bolts holding the pump in were too rusted to be able to remove. So I had to drill and smash them out.
     
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    Here's a pic of the fuel pump assembly, and of the old and new pumps. The new one didn't fit exactly snug but I got it to work.

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    Now even more problems.

    Not too many responses, but I'll keep posting in case anybody comes across this thread in the future and it can be of help.

    Now I'm having problems with the alarm system and it not letting me start the engine (or turn it over.)

    The battery had completely died, so when I hooked jumper cables to it and opened the door I somehow set off the alarm system. It wasn't honking and all, just the flashers were going off and on and the dash lights.

    I pressed the unlock button on the keyfob, pressed the unlock button on the door, put the key in and turned it but it wouldn't shut off. I even put the factory code in the door key panel.

    So I unhooked the negative terminal on battery then reconnected it and it seemed to shut the alarm off. But when I turn the key the engine won't turn over. All the dash lights and everything come on, and I had the jumper cables connected to a running vehicle, and everything seemed to be pretty powered up.

    When it rains it farkin pours. Guess I'll be doing more explorerforum.com searching and googling tonight. :( fml
     
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    Sorry to hear of your troubles.
     
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    Does it crank? Or is it a dead battery issue. I think the alarm just controls a relay, it shouldn't prevent the PCM from starting the car. It is not like the PATS system. There may be a way to bypass it.
     
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    I bet it is rusted out, I changed both lines recently. I also changed the trans lines, they didn't look too good.
     
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    Ok well maybe good news!!! I have the car running... for the moment anyway. In case someone has trouble like I did, I'll explain what I did.

    The alarm issue:

    When the battery is dead, alarm unit doesn't know you've used your key to get into car, so once youhave door and hood open, and reconnect or charge battery... Boom.... Alarm goes off and won't turn off, because it thinks you've gotten in without key.

    I had to disconnect battery, put key in ignition and turn to on position, and then reconnect the battery. Then it has to have enough juice for everything to work. (duh) Just make sure you use key to get in or unlock button on key fob, after you've charged battery, before you try to start.

    Engine seems to be running okay after all the installs..... Not even a check engine light after letting it run and get to operating temperature! Wowzers!

    I'm terrified to drive it anywhere tho, so I think I'm going to go to the supermarket right next to to my house and drive around the parking lot for an hour just to make sure everything is on the up and up.

    I'm letting it cool down now and then I'll go out and try to start, just to make sure that it works.

    Thanks for the responses 96eb96, utahx, J8McMahon, and even daisyrocky. Fingers crossed :)
     
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    Good Luck!
     
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    Had truck running just perfect, drove 2 miles to Walmart, parked it, came back out it started right up. Went to pull out and it begins to die. Same issues. Pull it back into the parking spot and it dies. Cranks over, sputters and dies. Like it's starving for fuel. There wasnt a single cel on this whole time.

    I spray starter fluid, it sputters and coughs and starts up and runs rough for a min, then idles out. I drove it a couple miles, check engine light comes on and off 3 times in about 25mins, staying on for a min or 2.

    Get it home, shut it off, instantly try to restart, it sputters, coughs, runs like total shit.

    Pulled codes 111, 157, 181, and 189.

    157 Mass air flow sensor below minimum voltage.

    181 adaptive fuel rich limit reached at part throttle, right side.

    189 adaptive fuel rich limit reached, left side.

    Could I have messed up maf sensor spraying starter fluid? Why would this happen now? And what does fuel rich limit reached? Time to explorerforum.com search and Google.
     

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