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Faulty Firestone Tires kills over 21 people?

Discussion in 'Auto Industry News' started by Cameron, August 2, 2000.

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  1. Cameron

    Cameron Well-Known Member

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    Here is a news clip I got off the Internet. I also saw this in the Chicago Sun-Times.

    At Least 21 Deaths Reportedly Linked To Allegedly Faulty Firestone Tires
    Wednesday, August 2, 2000 03:15 AM ET

    ARLINGTON, Va. -(Dow Jones)- A federal agency reportedly has complaints that 21 deaths have resulted from accidents allegedly caused by Firestone tire treads peeling off their casings.
    Before Wednesday's USA Today report, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, or NHTSA, had said it knew of only four such deaths.
    Earlier this week, two additional families sued Ford Motor Co. and Firestone, a unit of Japanese tire maker Bridgestone Corp., alleging tread on Firestone tires on their Ford Explorers separated and caused fatal accidents.
    Similar suits over the tires have been filed as far back as 1996 and the NHTSA opened an investigation in May after receiving 90 complaints from consumers about the Firestone ATX, ATX II and Wilderness tires.
    Attorney Gary Pajcic, who represents the Florida families involved in the latest lawsuits, said the tire problem becomes deadly on the Explorer because its high center of gravity makes it more difficult to control when the tread separates.
    Firestone said in a statement Tuesday that it has "full confidence" in the tires, almost 48 million of which have been manufactured.
    The Public Citizen watchdog group in Washington and attorneys involved in litigation with Firestone and Ford allege 30 deaths nationwide have been caused by the tire separation problem.
    The federal investigation is in its preliminary stages with letters sent to Firestone and Ford. Both companies have asked for additional time to respond.
    The tires have been original equipment on General Motors Corp., Ford, Toyota Motor Co., Nissan Motor Corp. and Subaru Co. Ltd. vehicles for several years, but most accidents reported to federal officials have involved the Ford Explorer.
    USA Today said the NHTSA has no explanation of why Fords would crash more then other vehicles using the same tires.
    (Compiled from Dow Jones Newswires and other sources)
     
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  3. Stephen

    Stephen Moderator In Memoriam Elite In Memoriam

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    Damn I always knew they were bad tires, but not that bad!
     
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    so should the dealership change the tires for free then since the tires are faulty? mine has only 16K on it, got it last year on a 99 explorer. what to do what to do? no tiene dinero.
     
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    Firestones do suck afterall!

    I heard this story in Denver this morning and the first thing I thought of was the thread I read hear about an Explorer rolling in California and killing the groom right before he got married. I think Firestone should've stepped forward long before this news came out and corrected the problem. My dad worked for Goodyear for 26 years, so I knew Firestone sucked long before this article came out. Can you say negative publicity? Their stock is gonna tank. How many truck lines did they supply? Ford, Lincoln, Chevy, GM...

    Just my 3 cents

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  6. Stephen

    Stephen Moderator In Memoriam Elite In Memoriam

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    All of my Explorers but the 94 came with Goodyear Wrangler RT/S'
     
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    Humm, mine has firestones... time to get new ones I guess.
     
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    All of ours ('93 EB, '98 EB, & a '00 Sport) came w/Firestones stock. The '93 is now running Dunlops, soon to be BFG or Michelin. I just sent an email to my dad mentioning that maybe he should think about switching out the tires on the two new ones.
     
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    Bad tires?

    Out of some 24,000,000 tires thirty caused deaths, whats that something like .0000012%. (which means jack if you were one of the thirty but..) Doesnt mean its a bad tire. Anyone have figures for other makers? It may be out of line in relation to other manufacturers but we dont know, out of context it is just some sensational numbers.

    And granted there must be some tires that had tread seperations which caused no deaths but what %, and how does it relate to other tires/mfrs.

    Sounds like nothing more than the publicity machine for some class action lawyers is cranking up for a settlement and some nice fees.
    If they can get the press coverage to a critical mass then Hysteria will set in and the lawyers are off to the bank. It is a really interesting thing to watch- that is unless you are the one they are gunning for.

    Ive had three sets of the ATX on two vehicles and got 70k out of each set of them with no problems(cut sidewalls but no replacements) I guess I was lucky - I was one of the 99.9999988% who didnt have a tire failure that led to a death. I have also had three sets of BFG tires and ran them about the same milage with a few exceptions, four out of the twelve were replaced due to sidewall problems, a bad belt on one , and chunking(tire guy word not mine) so Im not sure which is a good, or bad tire. (Im running Goodyears, Michelins and Dunlops now)

    Just some thoughts
     
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    I have my own theory on the Firestone tire problem, actually really a WAG. But here goes.
    One of the problems with the Firestone ATX tires that keeps popping up is heat. A C (worst) rating for heat and most of the problems occuring in areas with warm temperatures.
    I had a '97 XLT (with Goodyears as OEM, I guess I was lucky and got the better tires). What I couldn't figure out was why the recommended tire pressure was 26 lbs. I ran mine at 30-32 lbs. Somebody told me (or I read it somewhere), the reason for this was because Ford wanted to get the ride as soft as possible. Low air pressure will help do that, but it also does other things like a lot more flex in the sidewalls and the tire in general. Now you have lot of heat build up due to the low air pressure and all this internal flexing in a tire that is known to have bad heat resistance (C rating).
    In my opinion, that could lead to belt separation.
    By the way, the recommended pressure on my '99 Sport with Firestone Wilderness AT's is now 30 lbs.
    One man's opinion, I might be wrong.
     
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    Granted... they dont have alot of deaths compared to the amount of tires... but thats not the point! Its that these tires suck... and we cheap people... need a reason to justify buying new BFG's. Simple as that!


    "Ya honey! I bought the 33" BFGs so you and the baby would be safe!!! Really!"

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    My girlfriend has a '99 XLS with the Firestome Wilderness AT's and 12,000k mi. Does anyone know what the deal is, will Ford replace or prorate them for some new tires? Any help would be great.

    My ATX's blew out and tore out my fender an inch or two, any chance I can get that fixed by Firestone?



    [Edited by Big Poppa on 08-02-2000 at 09:45 PM]
     
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    Tires

    I hate to be the one to bring it up, but we all know Ford will not recall all 400,000(estimate) explorers with Firestones. It is not profitable to Ford. The wrongfull death lawsuits cost less. I have seen premature side wall wear on most of the exp I see on the street with Firestones and I alwasy think to myself what could be causing it. I am talking about the white rubber for the lettering showing thru the black. My guess is curb rub, but if that is the case then I need take alternate routes than these curb riding lunatics. ;)
     
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    I hate to be the one to bring it up, but we all know Ford will not recall all 400,000(estimate) explorers with Firestones. It is not profitable to Ford. The wrongfull death lawsuits cost less. I have seen premature side wall wear on most of the exp I see on the street with Firestones and I alwasy think to myself what could be causing it. I am talking about the white rubber for the lettering showing thru the black. My guess is curb rub, but if that is the case then I need take alternate routes than these curb riding lunatics. ;)

    I have to agree with Steve though. It is a very low percentage.
     
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    The white showing through is not only on the Firestone tire. My sister-in-law has a 95 Sport with Goodyears (original tires) and the she has white showing through. It's not a pretty sight.
     
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    The white showing through comes from rubbing curbs along the raised white letters.
     
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    Wilderness HT's

    I bought a used 1996 with Wilderness HT's
    Are those at risk? Or just the AT's
     
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    I thought it was just the AT's... my HT's are holding up fine...

    nick
     
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    Sears announced that they are suspending sale of the Firestones at all their outlets effective immediately. Hmmm........
     
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    Its the entire Wilderness and ATX lines.
     
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    I want BFG's!! heh. I forget.. who makes BFG's now???

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