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It's official - No more Red Light Camera's in L.A.

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    1. Tbars4

      Tbars4 Moderator Emeritus Elite In Memoriam

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      ...Cities across America have been watching this close but today it's official..L.A. city no longer will use Red Light Cameras..

      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/28/earlyshow/main20084633.shtml


      ..But while the rest of So Cal is unsure..

      http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...ey-will-keep-red-light-cameras-operating.html
       
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      It's all about revenues and social engineering. Turns out that they were such a bad investment that even the social planners agreed unanimously to pull the plug :D
       
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      It can be a no brainer for jurisdictions looking for revenue. A private company takes all the risk, runs them and gets their cut. The city sits back, does nothing and collects a bit of cash. Not right, but they only really care about funds. Keep up the pressure on elected officials to eliminate them everywhere. By the way, no one has ever demonstrated a long term improvement in saftey.
       
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      They're pulling them in a town near us as well. They found that accidents actually went up at intersections where they were located.

      Thankfully they pulled the cams from our freeways about a year ago. Now that was REALLY bad... People slammed on their brakes as they approached the cameras then punched it once they passed them. With cameras just a mile apart in some areas it created a really bad situation on our freeways.
       
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      yeah i saw people were just getting away with not paying the tickets.
       
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      ..I've heard various things about the safety issue...I hated the cameras as people would slam on the brakes as soon as a light turned yellow..:rolleyes:

      ..A couple reports from those fighting to keep the cameras showed accidents went down at those intersections but lacked other pertinent info as to cause and effect..

      ...Those fighting against the cameras showed the same results if they extended the yellow light time duration..

      ..The whole thing that got this started was the actual lease cost of the cameras...A few hot topics on paying the tickets is, this will now let the camera owners go after the individuals who got the tickets and they are going to go after them personaly and also effect their credit ratings..

      ...Another item is, they did get a ticket and FTA (Failure to appear) warrants and violations against their drivers license will also be administered..

      ...Personally, I'm against the camera's, their cost and have actually seen a better deterrent by placing a life size dummy (in officer's clothing) in an official police car seven days a week...(Boulder City Nevada)..They would then swap out on any given day an officer who would radio ahead from the same exact spot whom to have pulled over..Saved millions against what a camera would cost..
       
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      That sound's like common sense mate! We can't have that.:D:thumbsup:
       
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      They had one of those in Chicago, someone put a box of Krispy Kremes on the hood of the car. Now THAT was one of the funniest things I had ever seen.

      Seriously though, that approach works better if the have the radar running too.
       
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      ..Radar was active but is only enforceable if a live dummy is operating it...:D
       
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      they have been doing that here downtown with just unoccupied police cars parked at troublesome intersections
       
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      They do that here as well. We have a few sections of roads that drop from 35mph zones to 25. Normally people disregard this fact, however they park a cruiser there and suddenly everyone is going the speed limit :D

      We have cameras at various intersections, they look like red light cameras, but they aren't. They just monitor the traffic, and you can even stream them - exciting!:p:
       
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      ..I would like to add to this since one of the links I posted made it sound like the camera's only took a picture of the plates so people were contesting they weren't driving their vehicle, someone else was...:rolleyes:

      ..I had previously sold a vehicle and a couple months later I received a ticket in the mail..It was a red light camera ticket and had a link to a site to view the pictures...I went to the site and it not only had pictures but it had video from 3 angles...

      ..You could clearly see who was driving and all the videos were from green light thru the yellow and all the way thru the red and did not stop until the driver was out of wide angle camera range...

      ..It was kind of eerie like in a spy movie how much of this was caught on tape like this person was under surveillance..It seemed to be hi-def and you could make out the people in their cars in nearby parking lots too..:(

      ..Not to long ago I was working in San Juan Capistrano where they have a notorious red light camera and a bike cop too at the same intersection..I was down there one early Sunday morning and was the only one at this 3 way stop light waiting for the red light to change..

      ..Out of the clear blue the camera goes off while I'm waiting for the light to change..I keep looking in my mail expecting to find a ticket..:confused:
       
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      ..The State of Cali assembly approved a new "Bill" today about these red light cameras..:popcorn:
      http://www.sacbee.com/2011/08/30/3873069/bill-would-restricting-use-of.html

       
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      Ted, watch Glendale. They are still using theirs. Hard to tell when you are in LA or somewhere else. They too have high def video you can access on-line. $475 fine. By the way, I too had a Red light camera flash me when not running the light. Never got a ticket. I bet they actually use that video sometimes and relized I wasn't doing anything wrong.
       
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      ...Today they announced since yesterdays Bill approval by the assembly, other California cities will be dropping the red light cameras..

      ..Tonight I couldn't find what cities they are but I am sure to post when I hear more..;)

      ..I did however run across this bit of news on how to fight the red light camera tickets in California..:biggthump
      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/08/31/prweb8757928.DTL
       
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      My Co-worker got one of these. She asked me how to fight it. I saw the video of her rolling right around the corner on a red light without stopping. I just laughed and said Guilty!:(
       
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      ...Have her read toward the bottom of the last link I posted...;)
       
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      Maybe I'm an old fuddy duddy, but I like the cameras. I like speed cameras too. Personally, if the speed limit is 65, and you are going 80, you deserve a ticket, whether a cop sees you doing it or not. Now maybe if you are going 68 maybe you don't deserve one, but most speed traffic cameras I've seen have a limit, just like a cop sitting there wouldn't pull you over for doing 68. If you are rolling through a red light, you are a danger to other drivers and whether a cop sees you doing it or not, you deserve a ticket for it.
      For what its worth, I got one of these tickets for running a red light. I totally remembered doing it, don't remember there being any signs about a camera (why should they need one? I was obviously breaking the law) and watched the video online there was absolutely no contesting it... I saw the yellow light and punched it, and didn't make it before it was clearly red but I went anyways. I deserved the ticket, and I paid it, and I watched my driving habits going forward.
       
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      Sorry Matt, but you get a thumbs down for that one ;)
       
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      Didn't have time to fully respond before.

      AZ was the first and possibly the only state in the US to place photo cams on a freeway system. For some stretches they were placed every mile, other areas they were more spread out.

      The cameras were set to go off at 11mph over the limit. Sounds reasonable right??? Well picture this (pun intended) you're traveling at 66 in the left lane in a 65MPH zone. The speed limit drops to 55. The ONLY speed limit sign is on the RIGHT hand shoulder. There are big trucks in the lanes to your right completely obscuring the speed limit sign. There is a camera immediately after the speed drops, BAMMO! You just got a ticket for doing 66 in a 55 when you thought you were driving 1mph over the limit. Not a fictional scenario at all, that's the way it was set up and LEFT for a couple years until our state finally did away with the freeway cams.

      Additionally we have had less accidents since the cameras went down.
      People slammed on their brakes to well below the speed limit until they passed the cameras then they would floor it until they got to the next one.

      The cameras did more harm than good. They were there as a money making tool, not as a safety device.

      (edit) I just looked up our states accident statistics for 2008, when the cameras were in full swing, and in 2010, after the cameras went down.

      2008 - 119,588 total accidents
      2010 - 106,177 " "

      http://www.azdot.gov/mvd/statistics/crash/index.asp
       
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      So its the cameras fault that nobody knows how to drive within a reasonable proximaty of the speed limit? :)
      I remember when the red light cameras first came out here in Colorado... people got pissed off that they weren't warned that cameras were in use so they started putting up signs at the intersections, then people said they needed to be warned about the cameras ahead of the intersection, so they started doing that. As if people need to know whether they might get caught running a red light or not. I say screw it, stick cameras at every single intersection and only turn on 1/3 of them every day and alternate it every day. Maybe people will actually stop running red lights.
      I rarely drive much over the speed limit anymore, maybe 5-10 at the top end but most of the time I keep it right near the speed limit, so when I see a cop or I see an interstate camera, I dont need to slam on my brakes, because I know I'm already going a reasonable speed. I know, I'm old. I had my days of speeding a lot, as I'm sure everyone does, guess I just realized there was really no big reason to hurry to get there...
       
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      I think the point of Rick statment was that they were using them right after speed changes. Like where it drops from 65 to 55 and people couldn't see the sign for the speed or did and had to jam on the breaks to keep from getting a ticket. No where did he mention anything about red light cameras.
      Just my opinion of what he said.
       
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      Did you even read what I posted? If you were driving ONE MPH over the limit you will be nailed for ELEVEN over after you pass the cameras that were set up immediately behind speed limit signs which was were often HIDDEN by truck traffic. Our freeways are 4 lanes wide on each side. You really think you can see the speed limit sign on the right shoulder when traveling in the left lanes with trucks to your right?? In other states that would be considered entrapment. In Arizona, there is no such thing.

      Obviously the speed cameras did NOTHING to prevent accident as proven by our states own Department of Motor Vehicle statistics. Read the statistics, not only did the total number of accidents DROP after the cameras came down, but so did the number of fatal accidents. YES, I blame the placement of the cameras on freeways for causing more accidents, and more deaths.

      Speeders don't cause accidents, idiots cause accidents. The two don't go hand in hand. There is a time and place where speed in excess of the posted limit is reasonable and prudent.

      Don't think that I'm an angry motorist who has been busted for speeding either. I haven't had a speeding ticket in at least a dozen years, well before the cameras.

      It's amazing... German drivers can manage to do 200mph+ on their freeways, American's have a problem when people want to drive the speed limit at 55-75:rolleyes: I've always said that if you don't like how fast traffic is moving on the freeways, don't get on. Take the surface streets.
       
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      Rick Rick Rick, I read what you posted :). I just don't see the difference between a speed camera sitting there and a cop sitting there. Most of the cops around here sit within 1/4 mile of a speed zone change because they know that's where they'll grab the most speeders. Most cops that I have talked to say that speeding tickets really aren't just for raising revenue they are actually to make people slow down... so if they want people to slow down in one particular section over another, they'll have cops there on a regular basis, with the intention of the fact that people will slow down when going through, even if it is just because they think a cop may be waiting there. We've all said it "if you are going down the ..., make sure you stick to the speed limit, cops are out there like crazy". and people do then drive closer to the speed limit, everyone is safer, etc. If people are slamming on their brakes and then gunning it and then slamming on their brakes, to me it sounds like they need more enforcement in the area or they need to raise the speed limit... which does happen... here in Colorado the main interstate through denver has been speed limit 55, and when there is no traffic, its like 6 lanes wide, people were doing 80 no problem... so they raised the speed limit to at least 65, figuring people would at least be closer to 65 than just ignoring the 55 altogether.
      But I don't want to make anyone upset so I'll just stop commenting on it... and I'll keep going a reasonabel speed over the speed limit and not worry when I see a flashing camera or a cop sitting on the shoulder, let them catch the speed demons :).
       
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      Over 13,000 less total accidents, and a couple hundred less fatal accidents in AZ since the cameras CAME DOWN. If you truly want safe highways, our statistics show you do not want cameras on them.

      If the cops want to be out in force, I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the speed cameras which were revenue making machines and had nothing to do with highway safety and in fact made our roads less safe.
       

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