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Lift kits for 5th gen. Explorer

Discussion in 'Modified 2011- 2019 Explorers - Tuning & Mods' started by rusty813, June 17, 2011.

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  1. Andres R

    Andres R New Member

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    So I went with 17" wheels 35mm offset (stock 20" wheels had 45mm offset). And Geolanders 265/70R17. They don't rub at all, not even in reverse or when turning all the way, so I was happy I didn't have to trim anything.
    My new set up is about 5lbs lighter per corner, so very happy I am not putting crazy amounts of weight and stressing the components, as well as diminishing acceleration and breaking power.

    I already tested the tires on a moderate off road trail just outside of Phoenix, Bulldog Canyon. It was so much fun to not hit any rocks! My two friends in their stock 2007 and 2011 Jeep Cherokees were slightly hitting exhaust pipes at the bottom of washes, nothing bad though.

    Here is a video of one the harder obstacles at this trail:
     
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  3. peterk9

    peterk9 Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

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    Love the video and it confirms along with others I have seen that the Ex is capable of light to some moderate off road use.
    As for the wheel/tire change, they exceed the accepted 3% maximum diameter variance by almost two times (5.9%). This will affect the ABS system which is factory programmed for the OEM size. Also good luck if you ever have to use the spare.:)

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    The spare size is something that concerns me. I looked at the compartment for the spare and it seems I could fit a taller tire, but not much thicker. I am planning to do some testing at a tire shop to see how much bigger of a tire I can fit as a spare.

    And I did see the 3% rule here before. Do you know where I can learn more about the affects to the ABS system?
     
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    I got the size and ABS info from a post in this Forum. In the post it mentioned that the 2016 Explorer had preprogrammed and acceptable tire sizes in one of the modules. It went on to mention that changing the tire size also made changes/updated the info in some other control modules like ABS. I believe it may have been a post by jmr061 but can't be sure.

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  6. Turdle

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    I'd like to know how this works, as it has to have GPS input for this to be possible. Otherwise, larger tires ( all around) would just make the vehicle think it is moving a bit slower.
     
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    Got bored and swapped out my wheels for some TSW Rally wheels that I had refinished in a goldish/silver - wheel specs are 20x10" 25mm and the same 305/50/20 Toyo Open Country A/T II's.

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  8. peterk9

    peterk9 Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

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    While they look good they exceed the accepted 3% maximum diameter variance by twice that number (6.6%). Not good for the preprogrammed specs for modules like the ABS. Also apart from adding extra pressure to the braking system they will also put extra strain on the suspension parts. But they do look good, especially with the vehicle colour. Just don't get a flat since the spare won't work.:)
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc?tires=255-50r20-305-50r20
     
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    I think the "variance" referred to here is wheel to wheel size variance, not a variance in all 4 . In other words, if the abs senses one wheel spinning faster than the rest, it will set off an abs error.

    The abs has no way of knowing all 4 are larger.
     
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    From what I've read on the tire sites is that when 'up sizing' tires, they should not exceed the OEM diameter size by more than 3%. On 1010tires.com a pop up will state that when you compare sizes to the OEM. As for the ABS not knowing tires are larger I can't really comment on that except to say that a few acceptable sizes are reprogrammed into a module (BCM?) of the 2016/17 models. When a tire size is changed, you can then, using IDS or Forscan, chose the new size and it will reprogram the affected modules to account for the new wheels/tires. Increasing the size would in most cases also increase the overall weight and affect stopping ability.

    Peter
     
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    Hi guys!
    I own a 2016 explorer limited and i installed Traxda lift kit for it (That was the only option for my SUV on the market as of right now.
    So i wonder if there's any kinda customization lift so i could go 4 to 5 inches higher (total).
    Thank you guys for your time!
     
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    I went ahead and pulled the plug on the lift project. I was a little bummed initially because i found out that lifting the Ex was possible right after i had purchased new tires, but i was able to sell my rims and new tires for enough to cover the cost of new 17 inch rims with 265/70/17 Dick Cepek Fun country tires. The lift i bought was not from traxda but rather an online competetor that cost me about 40% of what Traxda was charging and gave me 3 inches of lift in the front and 2 inches in the back so it was bigger which is always cooler. In the end i got almost 5 inches of added height and ground clearance.

    THERE WAS DEFINITE RUBBING when i first put the wheels on since my new rims had more backspace than the factory 20's that I was running. I had to remove the plastic mud flaps and play with the pinch welds a little to get rid of the issue. It was a bit of work but definitely worth it. I have since put on a 52 inch curved LED light bar that makes the ex look mean, and also purchased a rooftop tent so i can camp anywhere my Ex can get me (which is surprisingly a lot of places thanks to the lift)

    10,000 miles later there are no issues with any suspension components and my brakes still work just as well as they did before. I was hesitant to go ahead with the project because of all the "horror stories" and precautions people were listing on the forum, but i couldn't be happier with my decision. Doing all the work is definitely a risk but hey, no risk no reward. That's just my 2 cents.

    My pictures won't show up on this comment but if you hold the control button and click in the icon and hit open image on new tab, the image will show up

    If you have any questions feel free to message me

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    The first image didn't work so I'll repost it. Also here is a pic of one of our recent expeditions

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    I'm sure there is no one that will come out with that kind of a lift for it. It's nearly impossible to because of the cv angle that would have to come out of the transmission. You also have a uni body, no body lift can be done.
     
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    I would think you could pretty much 'lift' almost any unibody vehicle by using strut and subframe spacers. It shouldn't be too hard to make spacers out of aluminum block and get some longer mounting bolts, but no idea how many other mods you'd need to do to make it all work. Not sure how much lift you can 'reasonably' get from this method either, but I assume it would vary by vehicle.

    I believe people have been doing these type of lifts on Subaru vehicles for many years now.
     
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    Not working for me.
     
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    Many members have successfully "lifted" their 5th gens. as you can see in this thread.

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    He already has the traxada lift, you can't stress the cv axles any more than the 2-3" lift he has now. He is looking for another 4+ inches which is not going to happen.
     
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    Sure you might be able to squeeze another inch or two out by messing with subframe spacers but 4"+ is not safe without spending some time fabing up an entire system to drop the engine and trans subframe.
     
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    Yes, I was aware of that. I was just replying to your statement, "You also have a uni body, no body lift can be done." Perhaps my understanding of "body lift" isn't the same as just a 'lift'. I believe he wants 4 -5 inches in total height, not in addition to the 2 or 3 he already has. In any case it is bound to affect the powertrain warranty should something fail because of it.

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    Body lifts just lift the cab by putting taller bushings between the frame ( which he wouldn't have) and the cab. No body lifts on unibodies.
     
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