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Discussion in 'Elite Explorer Registry' started by gmanpaint, August 3, 2010.

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  1. KurtECV

    KurtECV Surrender The Booty Elite Explorer

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    Did they get it right?
     
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  3. gmanpaint

    gmanpaint It's Always Something! Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

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    Appointment is next week. We shall see.
     
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  4. gmanpaint

    gmanpaint It's Always Something! Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

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    So I stopped back over at the alignment shop today. I wanted to talk to the tech.

    Not trusting the worn pass tire (inner) until the alignment, I put the new spare on. In doing so, I discovered that the other front tire is also cupping/feathering on the inner side as well. It's not as bad as the Pass side, but it's there. Just couldn't tell until I swapped the new matching spare.

    Tech said it's not that bad, but it could affect the specs some. We decided to throw the rears on the front, as they are wearing evenly. The new tire, and the slightly worn front tire placed on the rear might be, or might not be an issue with the locker. If it is, I need to hunt down a new tire. Problem with that is, they stopped making the regular BFG A/T KO. :(

    Always something with these rigs!
     
  5. CDW6212R

    CDW6212R Hauls the mail. Elite Explorer

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    That shouldn't affect the rear diff, if that one tire wear, is really minor(the diameter). You'd discover it if the difference was much, the locker would be much more sensitive.
     
  6. gmanpaint

    gmanpaint It's Always Something! Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

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    KurtECV Surrender The Booty Elite Explorer

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    I have had this argument with techs all over the place. Tire wear doesn't affect the alignment. you set camber/caster/toe based off hard parts (wheels, lug studs, rotor and hub run-out at the mounting surfaces etc)

    HOWEVER, it will effect handling and on-road behavior making most people think (because of worn tires) that the alignment is off.
    Now the fact that your tires are showing uneven wear, cupping/feathering and that sort, you have an alignment problem (which you already know)

    Watch out when the tech does the alignment, i have seen techs manipulate the sensor heads to pull a measurement into spec and print those "fake" specs and tell the customer that they are good to go. It doesn't take much to move a sensor half of a degree into the green and dead on the money.
     
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  8. gmanpaint

    gmanpaint It's Always Something! Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

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    With a modified rig, the camber and toe is the only ones I care about on the computer.

    The castor is is right or wrong, regardless what the computer says. That's up to the tech to dial it in, while keeping camber and toe where it needs to be.

    I would prefer to find an old school shop, that doesn't even use the computer. The paint line they spray around the tire, wears off eventually.
     
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  9. KurtECV

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    That's how I used to do my TTB.

    For a daily like Pugly id also worry about caster, better than having to fight the steering wheel around a corner. It really shouldn't be a big deal, it will be able to be adjusted into spec, or something needs to be replaced (including the camber/caster adjusters on the upper ball joints), that could include TTB drop brackets or whatever.

    Basically, what I am saying is there should be no excuses as to why they cant get it into spec.
     
  10. gmanpaint

    gmanpaint It's Always Something! Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

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    Exactly. With the fully adjustable cams in there, new ball joints, and tre's, there shouldn't be an issue.

    I blame the techs who can't think on their own, for a bad alignment. Lol
     
  11. gmanpaint

    gmanpaint It's Always Something! Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

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    Still feels wonky, but in a different way. Isn't pulling to the right as bad, but still does. Wheel is straight now at least.

    94 alignment specs May 14 2019.jpg

    I think the Jeeper intermediate steering shaft has a bit of slop in it, and is contributing to the steering wander it has. Might just throw the old stock shaft back on. Rag joint has a crack in it, but only on one side. sigh...
     
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    I'm gonna suggest you need 2 degrees more on the caster in the radius arm axle bushings. More caster to bring it into range will hold the wheel straighter while moving. Too much caster makes the steering go from more effort to less quickly, however, just the right amount helps hold the wheels in a straight line path.



    That requires a lot of effort though so there's that to consider.


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  13. gmanpaint

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    Well, hmm.

    Being that this has a 2" coil spring lift on it, and still has stock arms on it, changing to the adjustable bushings is an option but.....

    I think if I was going to go thru all that, I would install the extended arms I have for it. I need a new set of bushings for the Rancho arms. Now the question is, stock or the adjustable type? I have heard the adjustable bushings are weak, and have plastic cams in them.

    Reminds me I need to order some 1/2" 3M purple belts for the sander. Supposedly, they can grind off the rivet heads in seconds flat, and eliminate all the curse words, and frame scars. lol
     
  14. KurtECV

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    I KNOW I KNOW I FAILED YOU... pour salt in the wound why don't you.
     
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    agreed
     






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