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How do you feel about the second amendment?

  1. I own a gun and suppor the second amendment

    100 vote(s)
    66.7%
  2. I own a gun and haven't really thought about it

    3 vote(s)
    2.0%
  3. I do NOT own a gun, but support the second amendment

    36 vote(s)
    24.0%
  4. I do NOT own a gun and do NOT support the second amendment

    8 vote(s)
    5.3%
  5. Huh?

    3 vote(s)
    2.0%
  1. JMT1SOMR

    JMT1SOMR Active Member

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    I think I saw that same show james -- I just remember thinking that that kid would barely be able to pop holes in a coke can. :rolleyes: I have a ruger 10/22. I know. I'm all for guns... as long as they don't end up in some morons hands. I think that you should have to take a course to learn about your gun and how to soot it, respect it, etc. I've grown up around guns since I was born and my dad taught me to respect them and handle them the right way. I think it's pretty much the same throughout the South. Remember, guns dont kill people, people kill people. If they banned guns, someone would just find another way to kill someone else.

    -Justin
     
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  3. Overkil

    Overkil Active Member

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    Handguns for hunting (out west anyway)

    I personaly think that handguns should be banned

    Hunting/pre-season scouting in arizona is most-likely alot different than where you live. Being stalked by mountain lions while in the field has happened to those in our hunting parties on more than one occasion and run ins with black bears are more and more frequent as well. A thigh holstered semi auto is a requirement for me anymore. In an ambush/surprise situation you often need the quick follow-up shot that a bolt-action just can't provide. A rifle won't do you any good when the cat has your face pinned into the gound and he's chewing on your neck. You need a secondary weapon that is good for close-quarters defense. This is not what a rifle or shotgun was designed for. Think about the two mountain bikers in Cali this week. Even pepper spray or a stun gun might have changed the outcome for them.
     
  4. springtensi0n

    springtensi0n Active Member

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    **rant time**
    these rediclous gun laws arnt stopping people from killing with banned weapons. the only people these laws are stopping from purchasing/owning illegal fire arms are people who obey the law and register their weapons. if someone wants an automatic weapon, they'll get it. if that person wants to go postal and take out a few casinos full of people, they will. then, the law makers who probably never fired any type of weapon system in their life will go and make the laws even more strict. Thus punishing the law abiding citizens even more, making it harder for them to own weapons. if the same person decides to rob a few houses instead of killing in mass quantities, they can still do it just as easily, because they didnt have to wait 7 days to get their hangs on a weapon.

    MHO supports the 2nd amendment.
     
  5. unclemeat

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    I strongly support the second amendment. I think that the real reason it was included in the constitution was to keep government from becoming oppressive, remember the bill of rights was written imediately following the rebellion of the colonist from England.

    I do not own a handgun, however in Virginia if I want one we have instant background checks, and I can go buy one in in less than 60-minutes.

    I do not support the NRA because it has become a right wing special intrest group, that uses gun regulations to justify its own form of right wing politics, IMO.

    IMO the government should not be making laws and the NRA working against them. It should be th otherway around, The NRA should be influencing the law so that only the NRA members have the guns.
     
  6. twomedicine

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    Better to judged by 12 than carried by 6

    Don’t take my handgun. It’s as much of a safety item as seatbelts, protective clothing, ice tools, emergency space bag/blanket, compass……are for preserving my health. I am a backpacker, almost always solo, and spend many a day/night in fairly remote and large areas containing black bears (some are predatory), moose, cats, grizzlies, very unpredictable weather, and other asstd. physical hazards, such as loose boulders, dead falls, hanging deadfalls……..and I like to reduce my probability of becoming mortally wounded within all limits of reason, and carrying weight. To me carrying a handgun, and a few full speed loaders is like deciding to carry any other piece of emergency gear, and even though it’s a heavy item for taking on a 7-10 day’r , it is well worth the added 2lbs carrying weight, and gratefully after the sun sets.

    I was somewhat calm since I had my 357 Mag loaded with Silvertips when at 2:30AM a huge rut crazed Bull Moose was terrorizing my camp some 40 miles from a town and in mid-Sept after most everybody had left the Northern Wind River Range. After it repeatedly showed me that it could tear up the willow bushes with its rack, only some 20’ away from my small tent, and with the dirt and debris settling some in-between thrashings, its crazy red eyes were a glaring dead at me. He also made lunges/rushes towards me. I felt some confidence after my hands wrapped around my double action stainless revolver and felt assured that I would not be the only one to get hurt. Moreover, the bull must have sensed the fact I wasn’t as scared as he would have preferred, and eventually he went back into the bog behind, but stayed until around daybreak. That was my first night out on a 8-9 trip to the Gannett Glacier. If I didn’t have that kind of protection I would have aborted my trip since I saw but one guy on his way out and then a lot more moose during my trip.

    I have had other incidences with wildlife, and almost always at night. Having a handgun is a necessary safety device, I am sure, just as much as having some synthetic insulation and Gore-Tex outer wear for limiting one’s risk for hypothermia.

    This past summer while I was hiking in the Bob Marshall Wilderness a grizzly crossed a couple hundred yds out in front in my route. What bothered me was the fact I was making noise and the wind was at my back and I still saw one. Again, I was glad I had some fire power if an encounter was to occur. Chances are and statistics say, you never get the time to get your gun, or bear spray out of the holster in the event of an attack by a griz or big cat, but, it’s sure nice having one when alone. And if you are injured, and or lost, shooting off a handgun is a good noisemaker for alerting any search party (if any) to your location. In the east you have to worry about rabid animals as well as two legged squirrels, the latter one is of the most concern.
     
  7. Crazy5711

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    I fully support the 2nd amendment.

    On a similar note, I don't believe that all persons convicted of a felony should be unable to own a firearm. There are many nonviolent crimes that are classified as felonies that that person could still be a responsible gun owner. Embezzlement, Grand Theft, Possesion of illegal drugs for the purpose of distribution, Distributing alchohol or tobbacco to a minor, DUI, etc. Even some violent crimes may not warrent the loss of the rights garaunteed under the second amendment. Child Abuse, for one.


    *I do not condone any of the actions in the previous post, I am only stating that people that do these things should still be afforded thier rights under the second amendment. They did not abuse this right, they abused other rights.*
     
  8. canada74

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    i own 8 firearms and plan on add 3 more. here in canada you need to have a permit to either just
    a) own a firearm or
    b) own and purchase firearms, which i dont mind at all, simple police clearence etc, but the gun regristry is a big sham, already been proven to be no crime deterent. our governments spent almost a billion dollars on it already...big waste of money. i wish we had something in our charter like our american friends to ensure a simple feedom,
    also just a side note: the mini 14 is not a banned firearm, i jsut bought one legally, and registered it, the firearm just can no longer be imported into canada, so all you can buy are used mini 14's
     
  9. Iowa Hick

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    I am not a hundred percent sure on this, but I believe that after a period of like six years most nonviolent felons can petition to have thier right to bear arms reinstated
     
  10. Crazy5711

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    I don't know about that either, but I do know a person who is on probation for a felony and can't even have a Swiss Arm Knife in thier house or car. This is a woman who left a mark on her childs face, once. Her husband is a Marine, and HE is not allowed to have any kind of weapon in his house or his car, and he isn't even the one who got in trouble. They also are not allowed to have alchohol in the house either.
     
  11. kalel33

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    I want an ak-47, m-16, mp-5, and an m-60....all fully automatic. For what I dont know
     
  12. Winston P.

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    I thought that the 2nd amendment protected the right to wear sleevless shirts, ..., J/K.

    Anyhow, as a Texas' resident, I believe that the NRA [and the gangs] could protect America from a foreign-invasion.



    C
     
  13. Campo

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    Can't belive I missed this 2yr old thread...lol...

    Here's a famous quote, that is America now.

    "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"----Adolph Hitler 1935


    Remember, A man with a gun, is a citizen. A man without a gun is a subject. And, The Government prefers unarmed peasants..

    The way I look at it, Every American should own at least one gun. Those that choose to use them in a criminal manner, will eventually be taken out of the gene pool by the populace.

    "Shall not be infringed"
     
  14. glfredrick

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    YUP - I'm in...


    Gun control is hitting your target. (preferrably double tapping it in less than .08 of a second)

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  15. sk1er17

    sk1er17 My "Jeep Thing" itches...

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    I think this can all be summed up very very simply:

    1) I love the New Hampshire state motto "Live Free Or Die", they have the least about of BS laws than the rest of the country (that i know of)

    2) How many crimes are commited with registered weapons? Banning guns wont stop crime, legalizing guns will make those delinquents think twice before who they decide to corner in a dark alley though.
     
  16. 351wExplorer

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    i support the second ammendment, i personally own a .38 spcl smith and wesson and 30-30 and a 20ga and im only 18. i recently wrote a paper for my government class on gun control, sorry its so long but i think it has some good points in it...

    Gun control is a necessary evil. It is truly sad that we must hinder civilians right to posses and shoot any type of firearm they wish. People’s general lack of judgment and self control force gun control laws upon all of America, not just the criminals but also the average citizen and homestead protectors. I for one am for gun control to the extent of keeping crime-popular weapons out of the hands of the general public.
    Perhaps banning certain weapons will help the violence problem we sadly take ownership of, to disappear, but more then likely it will not affect the crime rate. Other countries have resorted to a nearly complete gun ban. In Australia they did just that, and one year after gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, including semi-automatic .22 rifles and shotguns, a program costing the government over 500 million dollars, the results are in and not pretty. A dramatic increase in criminal activity has been experienced. When gun control advocates of Australia were asked what they think of this they responded "Just wait... we'll be safer... you'll see...” When they will be safer, is up for debate. After twelve months of the gun ban Australia wide homicides are up 3.2%, armed assaults are up 8.6% and get this; armed-robbery is up 44%. Yes 44%, could you imagine armed-robberies increasing 44% throughout The United States? At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said, "self-defense is not a reason for owning a firearm", I wonder why his bodyguards carried firearms then, and I would like to know now, one year after the ban, how he feels about his previous statement? We as a nation should look at other countries mistakes and learn from them. No good can come from banning guns from the hands of law-abiding citizens. I understand that gun control in America will be limited to crime popular weapons along with assault weapons, but we must note how society responded to the efforts in Australia.
    Would it be a constitutionally sound move for our government? Lets look at gun control in a different way. Not at how it will effect crime, or affect hunting seasons but at what precedent it will set for future problems with our constitution. If we slowly change the second amendment into just possessing a certain type of gun, would it be much different to change the first amendment into have a your freedom of religion as long as it was a certain religion. Changing one amendment that is not necessarily out of date sets a precedent to changing other amendments, just for the sake of certain people disagreeing with it. I feel if we change the second amendment drastically we could endanger our constitution.
    I know gun control is needed, but to what extent is what needs to be determined. We should look to previous attempts to see what has succeeded. As we have learned from Australia complete bans do not work. We need to work together to achieve gun control, not necessarily by banning guns but by controlling the hands of who the guns fall into. I for one am for gun control to the extent of keeping crime-popular weapons out of the hands of the general public.
     
  17. Crankcase

    Crankcase Moderator Emeritus Moderator Emeritus

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    Poll closed. The thread can still be replied to.
     

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