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Stop your trendy patriotism

Discussion in 'Exploring everything under the sun!!' started by Hank, September 17, 2001.

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  1. Joebob

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    New or old or even reborn, we can use all the patriots we can get these days. Don't ever put down a patriot.
     
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  3. Frisckey1

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    I just want to say that some people simply feel helpless in the very tragic situation. They want to help somehow and the only way they know how is to give blood or go buy a flag to show our support for our firemen and policemen who are tirelessly working to clean up the aftermath. Not that they wouldn't any other time, but this specific event affected ALL US Citizens. It could have been you or me on a plane to my kids field trip to CA. I wish there was more that I could do. So I will fly my new flag with the pride I have and have always had, but never truly recognized. I don't think its trend at all, but an effort at being involved and supportive when IT IS MOST important. This whole incident made me think "How patriotic am I?" Apparently not very, cuz I didn't even own a flag to display. I made my decision to buy one based on that, not on how many others have them.
     
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  4. Michigander

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    Hey Hank... didn't realize that you were the project "army bauer" guy... how is that going anyways? I have a friend that just redid a '71 J**P in army colors/badging, althought his in nothing like the armies way. He added a 4" body and 3" sus lift and easily clears 35x12.5. Sorry that was off the subject but it's still cool.

    No hard feeelings about my statements. You are right that my generation doesn't get much credit for what we do. We don't get much attention, and when we do it's negative. I myself as a teenager am pretty sick of it and I tend to snap at people (in hope to prove them wrong or change their mind) who give us a bad rap.

    Wabbit... I am very proud to show my pride in America. I moved out of my sheltered life (living with the parents) 1.5 years ago. Since then I have learned more about my morales, believes and suprisingly, other people, than I ever thought I would. You're right that the reasons to be patriotic are all around us everyday, but I haven't been exposed to them for very long.
     
  5. Hank

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    Michagander.

    Thanks, the project is going slow but well. Photo taken yesterday is at www.grimmick.com click on explorer. Have not moved it to the Army Bauer page. I put an update on the original thread later today...

    Never hard feelings taken on good conversation. That is what America is all about. You don't have to agree with me..

    General reply to all here:

    Thanks for the great conversation. One thing I would like to reiterate is that I am not "putting" anyone down. If these events have sparked a new or first time (for you younger folks) then great! Quoting someone earlier "new or reborn patriot" who cares it still is great.

    What I will put down are those who are putting up a flag, telling others to put up a flag, wearing red-white-blue clothes and are doing it because it is the "latest thing" Next week they will be dressed in UN colors... Who knows.. But anyway they can still kiss my Amreican Pride butt!


    Best regards to all.

    hg
     
  6. rustytr

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    My grandmother has two very nice flags folded up in two very nicely put together wooden boxes with a couple of medals on them both... I may only be 21 but patriotism runs very strongly through my veins, and michiganders response saddens me to think that someone can even say they've never had a reason to be patriotic til now. Do you like your explorer and wheeling? Do you like that you can go from state to state without needing a passport or checkpoints at every border. That kind of response really pisses me off!
     
  7. Michigander

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    Ok.. I think you took my words out of context, so I will rephrase it.

    I am only 18, and it is not until now that I have realized how important it is to show your patriotism for the United States of America.

    I have already admitted that there have always been reasons for me to be patriotic, but since I am so young, I was naive enough to ignore them, until now.
     
  8. wabbit

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    perfectly stated...

    Michigander,
    Restated, that makes perfect sense.
    I hope you know my post was in support of you coming to this realization.
     
  9. Michigander

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    Re: perfectly stated...

    I know, I just wanted to clear it up for others. Thanks
     
  10. Ray Lobato

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    I'll tell ya'll, I just get the biggest kick out of this site. I just wished everyone else in the world could discuss and communicate as well as we do here. You youngns', have my respect as I have seen many of you really show what great people you are by not jumping to conclusions and thinking about what is being said and how to responde to it. Sometimes we old farts should take notice and do the same thing.
    Hank, This is just a blanket statement and not worded towards you, I do understand what you are trying to say, and yes I'm sure some people out there are doing it just to be trendy, but hey I'm sure that there are alot more out there that are showing the world that you know what. I am an American, and I do love my Country.
    The wonderful thing about this country of ours, is when something tries to harm us. We will come together and God Help those who do.
     
  11. Michigander

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    ...no comment ;) LOL!!!
     
  12. Hank

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    Ray,

    Re: "and yes I'm sure some people out there are doing it just to be trendy, but hey I'm sure that there are alot more out there that are showing the world that you know what"

    I am sure the great trendsetters are a minority but they sure are visible to me right now..... Between the aforementioned artsy-fartsy flag/patriot/hypocrite issue and the kids/guys standing/running/dancing with flags and drinking budwiser at a major intersection this morning I was a bit hot under my old fart collar when I got into the office today..

    hg
     
  13. Michigander

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    Ray... I agree :D LOL... I love this site. :)
     
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    Sorry about that Michigander, I understand now. I also agree with joebob, we need all the patriotism we can get.
     
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    I am a "youngn" too (almost 20), and I can completely see what Michigander was saying. I never really had a time in my life to show or realize my patriotism either. Other than repeating the Flag Salute every morning in school without even understanding what it meant.

    When I was watching the news for 10 hours straight last Tuesday, something came across to me... All these movies of people "back in the day" watching their black and white TVs about one war or another... That's what I look like now. I am a part of this. I now understand why my grandfather always had a flag hanging from his house.
     
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    How about the playing of the National Anthum at a baseball game?
     
  17. Hank

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    Great reply Gina.

    I guess this really is the first patriotic experience/event your generation has had. I am glad to hear you now understand the pride your grandfather felt in hanging the flag. His generation and those before/after have made a great sacrifice to insure the freedoms we all share today. Your generation may now be called upon to do the same.

    I just hope the feeling of pride and patriotism continues in the hearts of all as the weeks and years pass by.


    And for the love of God don't anybody go buy RWB clothes from Nordstrom...


    Al, don't get me going about the National Anthem. The last time I saw it was not a task for someone to sit through was the first game after the Gulf War ended...

    Best regards.
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    I, myself am glad to see our younger generation getting in to being patriotic. I'm only 37, and I've put my time in the military and earned my medals and awards but I've never seen the American people come together like this, it's a shame it took a tragedy to make it happen, of course it takes a fatal accident to get a traffic light put up to. I'm flying ribbons on my antenna for the lives lost at WTC and the Pentagon, they'll come off when the government put's our flag back at full mast. Sorry, but I don't agree with disrespecting our flag on a car antenna to be ripped to shreds by the wind. I saw a couple of pickups this week with two full size flags mounted on 2x2's and displayed from their truck beds, maybe in parade, but these flags were going down the highway at 70+MPH and being completly destroyed. I've always displayed flags during national holidays and when I felt patriotic but I feel being an American is not about that. I feel I'm a true American simply by paying taxes, obeying the law and raising my children to be culture blind, and sorry to say but I'll be re-thinking that last one. Everything we all do day to day makes this country great and to all the young-ins out there don't fear being drafted, JOIN NOW! Even the coast guard is a member of the DOD during War.

    Have a great day.
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  19. Hank

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    Another take on the issue

    Hello all,

    Not to throw fuel on an already out of control fire but I sent the URL of this thread to a family friend. I guess you can say he is much more of an old fart than us.

    Being a child in WW2, his father taking a purple heart in the Pacific , and he served in Vietnam I wanted his opinion and was a bit surprised by the reply...

    Lastly, FMnavajo. Is the CG part of the Navy or are they their own entity? We could not rememeber the other day.

    hg
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    By the way. I seldom fly our flag and often even forget on national holidays. The beauty of this country is that we have the right to do either. That said, I certainly know how you got started on this. Trends, by definition, are short-lived and impermanent. Those who are the first to jump on bandwagons are the first to jump off again. Let's see how patriotic the
    "new patriots" are two years from now when the body bags are piling up and there are shortages of gasoline.
     
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  20. Rick

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    My turn to pipe in. I'll take the trendy patriotism and make no apologies for it.

    I witnessed a couple things the last few days that really touched my soul. On Friday night we went to happy hour at Famous Sams, the owner handed out candles and at 7pm we all went outside, lit the candles, and sang God Bless America. Since it's not a regular occurance that would have to be considered trendy. Yet the feeling of being together with my fellow countrymen honoring the dead, injured, families, and rescue crews is anything, but trendy. It was true heart felt patriotism.

    On the way home from Famous Sams we passed the neighborhood Circle K (convienance store for those unfamiliar). Out front were 30-40 people mostly young kids holding flags and candles. The largest flag was probably 3x6 feet. Trendy... sure... but certainly heart felt.

    Once again, I felt deep pride in the people of this country pulling together. Turned out that group came back for the entire weekend. They were there for 3 nights each night the crowd grew larger.
     
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    everytime i drive by a certain intersection near my house all weekend long i see a young gal (my age) and a guy holding up a sign that says "Honk for America!!!" they were there all weekend long..... i went to kragens just to fix my horn so i could "Honk for America"
     

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