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Whats In A Name?

It was hot humid august night. The winds have all but vanished. I was doing my best to keep the sweat out of my eyes. The A/C was dying in my 94 Explorer, lovingly named "Pugly", and there was no relief in sight. I decided it was time to stop throwing good money into bad. I was gonna do the unthinkable,.......I was going to commit the most heinous crime of them all! I was going to trade Pugly in for a newer model! Oh the heart break! The insanity of it all! I couldn't believe the thoughts were even going through my head.

I managed to get the old girl back home, to her resting place. She seemed at ease in her familiar surroundings. I had to come up with an explanation to let her know of my evil plan. So i just gave her that old wink and grin that she likes to see from me as we made it back home from another day of adventure in the treacherous Midwestern terrain. I did my best in hiding my cynical thoughts, as I walked around to her rear flank and gave her that little pat on her bumper, as I always have when we part for the night.

The next morning I gave her a real good bath, cleaned behind her mirrors, and brushed her grill. She still looked pretty good for her age. Oh sure she had the tell tale signs, gravity has got its firm grip on her, and I am not the best cosmetics guy in the world. she didn't seem to mind too much, she still kept her nose up and drove with pride.

After looking at many vehicles I just could not find anything that had the same feel as my old girl. Then it happened! Was I seeing a mirage? Was I so desperate to find another rig that I was blinded by insanity? I found my replacement! I quickly made a sale with the owner, and brought it home.

When I pulled in the driveway, my heart sunk as I looked into the yard to see my 94 looking at me in disbelief. She was sunning herself in the grass looking all shiny and then, she just looked away from me. My heart was tearing in two. I parked the new rig, and walked up to her and gave her a soft spoken "Hello". No reply. I tried to tickle her mirrors, no response. The tension was so great, you could have cut it with a 32 count fine tooth hacksaw. I had to explain to her that she gave me great satisfaction for many years, and we made a terrific team together, but the time has come for her to just relax and enjoy her final days. She finally revved up, and understood, her days as my work horse has ended (so we thought).

I introduced her to her daily driver replacement. The shiny new(er) next generation of her kind. The 95 Explorer XLT. She warmed right up to it. Before you know it they were swapping stories. Now I had to ask her for help. I needed a name for the new ride,
so I went to find her, and what did I see? Those two were grill to grill in the driveway. rubbing chrome! I had to get the water hose out and break them up! Sheesh, she was acting like a girl at the prom dance! I let the name thing drop for awhile.

The new(er) Ex needed to get its shots, and a physical. When I got the word on it's health, I about had a coronary. "What do you mean Doc"! I yelled. "Your kidding right"? I asked. The Doc just shook his head and gathered his tools. As he walked away, He said it had a 50/50 chance of survival. My stomach knotted up, my teeth ground, my heart raced, and I could feel the energy build up as I let it all out, "Why! Why! Why did this have to happen"! I screamed.

The prognostic exam from the doc was as such. It had a blown steering rack, the shocks were gone, the brakes were non existent, front sway bar was cracked in half, the 3rd brake light was out, none of the windows or the moon roof would work, the door locks were broke, the rear end LS clutch pack was burned up, the tires were all in need of replacement, the spare was a Firestone recall and flat, the engine had a nasty tick to it, the TPS was shot, the MAF was corroded, the battery had a dead cell in it, the hood shocks were not working, the rear hatch lock was jammed up and you couldn't open it with out a key in the lock, The carpet was stained to no repair, the rear window wiper didn't want to work, and we could not tell what year its engine swap came from. it was a mess, to say the least.

I went in the house to get my gun. I was gonna just put it out of its misery right there and then. I suddenly realized I was out of ammo, from shooting at the jeep that was in my field. I went to the computer to find a place to buy some cheap ammo, and I stumbled across this website, explorerforum.com that said it could heal any ford Explorer no matter what the problems were! I jumped for joy, I could not believe the things I was reading! I wore out the search button, asked a bunch of questions. I quickly broke out my pen and paper, feverishly writing down things as I was learning! I had found a cure for everything that was wrong with my new transport. It was a Godsend, an angel from the SUV heavens!

I sprung into action. I worked day and night, Pugly was right by my side the entire time, helping me in any way she could. I never seen this side of her, and was really amazed at how well she handled the pressure. She gently squeegeed the sweat out off my fore head with her soft wiper blades as I worked away. After an entire weekend of work, I collapsed. I needed some rest, and so did the 95. The sun crested over the hills, and awoke me to a new day. I shuffled my feet to the window facing the driveway, peeled the drapes gently back, and peered out at the 95. WOW!
It had a its color back, and was looking great! Now as the time went on, (and most of my paychecks), and the selling of almost everything I own, for funds to get the 95 to its former glory.

After some time to reflect on this name thing, I strolled up and whispered into Pugly's passenger side mirror, and she giggled with delight.

I climbed up onto the front bumper in my pajamas and robe half opened, with a cup of coffee in one hand and the daily newspaper in the other, I raised my arms with out stretched hands and proclaimed the new name of the 95.

BEHOLD...........THE BLACK HOLE!!!!!!!! (Then the neighbor yelled at me to close my robe)



The End................(or is it just the beginning?)


Actually, only some of this really happened. :D




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Had a conversation with Advanced Adapters about the weak stock 4R70W trans mount. I sent them images of the stock mount, to see what they can come up with to help lift, and support the weight of this case better.

This is what they came up with. This kit (P#716008) includes a plate that bolts to the cross member, and you add your own sq tube in the size desired for lift. It has Poly bushings, & all the hardware needed for the install. If the holes do not line up on the plate, you can make new holes, or if your handy, make another plate of your own. The rep I talked to, has been using this setup on his doubler combo for 15 years on the same poly bushings, with no problems yet.

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I think I can use a section of 2"x3" for the tube spacer on mine. Well, hoping at least.
 






I'll be watching this closely.
I think my trans mount is in ok shape, but I know what @vroomzoomboom 's looked like before he created a poly mount. Makes me think this mod is a good thing to do.

If you come up with something I can do without a welder, I'm all in. Did I mention fabrication is not my strong suit? lol.
 






Yeah, no promises on how this will work out yet. LOL ! I will give it the old college try tho.

Won't be any welding involved. Cutting the tube to size, and drilling two pass thru holes in it, is all. I happen to have some 2"x3"x3/16" tube hanging around the shop already :) I will use a stock mount for locating & drilling the bolt holes.
 






@vroomzoomboom would you happen to have a link to that poly Mustang mount you used?

I don't think this AA mod is going to work out for my application. Our mounts are opposite of theirs as far as the bolt locations. I cut the spacer tube, and got a better grasp of how it would work, and I think this one is going to be more trouble than it's worth.

Since I am after 1.5-2" of lift, the Mustang poly mount should be easier to work with. Thinking with that mount is all I have to do is relocate the cross member holes for it.
 


















if you want a cross member made don, i make one for you after i get that trac done
 






Thanks for the link Tim. Amazon has them for the same price with prime shipping, so it saves a few bucks.

Dono, I looked at Tim's thread on this a few times already, and we talked about it a few days ago. Thanks for taking the time to find that.

He needed to drop his lower, and I need to lift mine higher. The Stang mount will do just that. Might be too high, but I won't know until I try. Edit: Tim didn't change the height after all. Just changed to a taller poly mount, but lowered the mount on the cross member.

Researching this even farther....

SAS people normally don't have a body lift, and they make custom cross members, and they lower the trans an inch or so to clear the floor above with the bigger t-case's. I can make a new cross member, but trying to avoid that if at all possible.

The Atlas is clocked so that the drivers side is hanging lower than the passenger side on my set up. So much lower that it hits and stops the skid plate from going back on. I had to space the bolts under the frame to get it back on, and leave a little gap between it and the case. So lifting it a little to clear the stuff on the drivers side would help, but I am being over cautious here I think. My fear is if a motor mount or the trans mount gives during a hard acceleration, the t-case would cause damage to the fuel lines. I would like the t-case higher to get the skid plate on right, and have a good gap between it and the case.

Since this rig has a 3" body lift, and the back of the drive train has dropped due to the lower profile trans mount after the 5.0/4R70W swap, there is about a 5" gap between the top of the case & the floor board now. It won't hurt to raise it some. Rear pinion angle is the only thing I can see having changed from lift, but it was fine with the atlas higher before, so I'm not that worried about it. I was hoping I could loosen the engine mounts, and push the trans to the passenger side some, but I am not sure that can be done, or that I should.

I could use a stock 4.0L trans mount (close to the same dimensions), to do the same thing as the aftermarket poly mustang mounts, but I think those will break faster. Time will tell what happens with this, and might take a few tries to get it right.
 






I moved my trans about 3/8" to the passenger side at the mount. I burr bitted some sideways slots for it to get away from the gas tank. The ranger frame is a little tighter.
 






Boomin, any issue with the exhaust doing that? The exhaust has always been on my mind moving the trans any direction as it was custom installed, after the engine swap.

I'm going to do a test, using a 2" x 3" tube spacer before spending on a poly mount. I have a new stock mount to use for this.

I will watch the exhaust, engine fan, and anything else that might want to bind as I Jack the trans up off the cross member. I might be **** out of luck and can't lift it at all.
 






My exhaust was done after the engine install but I don't think you'd have an issue.
 






Well heck.

Lifted the trans about 1/2" and it just hits the dang fuel line right at the 90* elbow. I just don't see how to move the line without replacing it with another line with a shorter elbow right there. It also gets the rear driveshaft U-joint closer to the fuel tank bracket. There isn't much room there as is, so the trans would have to be kicked to the passenger side no matter what.

I just replaced the trans mount with a new one. The one I did put in was more beef at least. I think the one used was one of those DEA( DOA) cheapo mounts. I put in an anchor brand mount, and it fit perfectly.

The used one sure looks like it has more than a few hundred miles on it, but it wasn't mangled or anything. I kept as a trail spare.

Comparison shots of the two mounts. You have to really look at them to tell the difference, but the rubber on the new one is way thicker, and has a bigger rubber keeper strap across it. Studs are different style as well. Have to look at the base of them to see it.

5.0 trans mount comparison tops.jpg

5.0 trans mount comparison sides.jpg


After a few spider bites, a couple hours messing around with it, a quick run around the block, and I put the rig to bed for the day.
 












Like boomin said I also have moved the tail housing to the pass side slightly, this helps with gas tank to T case clearance, and it helps with the vibrations some get after a 5.0 conversion.....

the price and quality of the anchor mounts is impressive, no reason not to use new, at least until a custom/modded cross member can be fabricated
 






The new mount lifted it maybe 1/8". Once I can get the clearance, I can then think of building a new cross member center section ( 95 has welded frame mounts).

The trans has gone thru it's learning stages, and is shifting harder now. With the gear driven t-case, there is no chain slack. I'm not sure if this helps, or hurts the trans mounts.

Moving the trans to the pass side is something I want to do still. Been looking at maybe cutting out the elbow section of the return line, and replacing it with a braided fuel line to get it out of the way. Was browsing Russell's website with @KurtECV , and all the parts just made my head hurt trying to figure out what I need. Still clueless LOL.

I noticed the lowest bolt under the Atlas was hitting the skid plate. I had to get longer bolts, and space it further from the frame rails. Dropping items is back ass wards!!
 






well at the fuel pump they are standard 3/8 and 5/15 quick connects.

I have an assortment of NPT and quick connect to -AN fittings in my shop. And then it would be that ford specific spring-lock connector at the fuel rail.

All depends on how you want to go about it.
replacing that section of line, or the entire thing.
 












Whatever is easiest and works well! :D
Need to trace the lines and see which one is which, we are pretty sure the one was the return.

Could always disconnect it, prime the pump and see if fuel is coming to/from the rails.
 



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