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    1. MadMike6786

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      ok so ive put on a K&N intake, flowmaster exhaust, and just got an apten chip. i have been toying with the idea of getting a new throttle body or and new MAS. has anyone put them on there X's if so waz there a noticeable power difference or am i going to waste my money.
       
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    3. MONMIX

      MONMIX I fix dents Staff Member Moderator Elite Explorer

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      I have a PRO-M MAS on my 2000 SOHC and I did notice a diferance.
      Nothing earth shaking mind you. Not a trememndous amount at all, but noticable none the less.
       
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      The TB (only available for OHV) gives a nice gain. The MAF gives slight more response but definitely not worth the price.
       
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      I'm assuming you have the SOHC engine. If so, there are no aftermarket throttle bodies out there. Only for the OHV. I toyed with the idea of an aftermarket MAF for my SOHC, but it seems like an expensive bit of overkill. If money is no object, go nuts.

      I've had more than one person (capable tuners no less) tell me that the Ford MAF is actually a better product than Granatelli or Pro-M. I finally came to the conclusion that although it might be interesting to try out another MAF, it's an expensive upgrade with marginal performance gains.

      Sounds to me like you've already done the best upgrades for the buck.
       
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      i also concur with the idea that unless you plan on dumping some serious money into upgrading the engine like forced induction, there isnt much more you are really going t obe able to do to it... the maf may halp a little bit and improve throttle response... but for what a maf costs! for me, i would just know that i could find a better way to spend $300
       
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      yea i have a SOHC yea money is sorta tight. i want to do some more preformance mods but running out of ideas
       
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      celly disturber of the peace Elite Explorer

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      Enjoy your ride. I have a similar setup and am pleased with the performance gains of the mods. If $$$ is tight, you've answered your questions. The cheapest I found a Pro-M MAF was $220+ shipping. If it was about $100 less, I may have gone down that road.
       
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      The main benifit of an aftermarket MAF, is they flow approx 30-35% more air.
      A great flasher or chip tuner can work wonders with an aftermarket MAF.
      The OEM ford MAF is great, but it's size is a limitation in getting more ponys out of what we have to work with
       
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      what about cams and pulleys?
       
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      No pulleys for the SOHC at this time, maybe now the the new stangs are using the same engine things will change, is all market driven
       
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      How do you come up with the 30-35% figure?
       
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      Actually aftermarket mass airflow sensors reduce engine load and improve efficiency. This occurs by providing quicker and more accurate calibration to changes in engine intake airflow, fuel and spark timing. They do increase flow.

      I have the Granatelli MAF on my SOHC and could definately feel some power increase, though this "feel" is subjective. The main reason I went for the aftermarket MAF was the increase in mileage.

      I am happy with mine.

      Remember, many neysayers do not have aftermarket MAF and have never tested them.
       
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      70mm OEM, 75mm Pro M, is pure math
       
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      Actually, the two individuals that told me not to bother with a new MAF both are quite familiar with Granatelli and Pro-M, tested them, tuned them, whatever. They both told me not to spend the money because the OEM MAF on my Ex is more than adequate. Hey, if it works for you (and Monmix and Spindlecone), more power (so to speak), to you. I'm not convinced it's a worthwhile upgrade. I'd really need to do a "before and after" analysis myself to be convinced, but can't justify the expense to do so.

      I do watch eBay for used ones all the time. That's about the only way I could justify the expenditure.
       
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      Well, 75 mm is only 7% more than 70 mm. ;)

      Do the rest (j/k).

      I assume you mean the increase in VOLUME, but you didn't do the math.
       
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      Have you looked at the stock as well as aftermarket MAF's? It is visually apparant that there is less restriction to the air flow in the aftermarket ones.

      The stock MAF is on the left.
       

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      A maf is the last thing as a bolton one would want, maybe worth 2-3 H.P.
      But if one has done all that can be done, power adders are sort of like compounding interest on your money, it all adds up
       
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      Now that you put it that way.....

      All the talk of can't justify the added expense is further with Granatelli. Those puppies are pricey. Does the inside of the Pro-M look the same?
       
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      The aftermarket MAF not only will increase power it also increases mileage ( if you keep your foot out of the throttle ).
       
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      Maybe some day if I stumble across a used one, I'll give it a go. I was real close to ordering one from a shop up here. As you recall, I touched base with you about them a while ago. I just couldn't justify the expense. Even the place I was ordering from (they're quite knowledgeable) questioned my reasons for doing so. They would have gladly taken the $350 CAD from my wallet to special order, but wondered why I wanted to. I told them I'll hold off on a special order until I get that imaginary $25K raise my CEO promised me in the new year. ;)
       
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      I cannot keep my foot off the throttle. It's just not in my nature. My mileage has stayed consistently down since I made the change to an intake, chip and exhaust. My Ex has never been more fun to drive at the same time :thumbsup: .
       
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      I disagree with both statements. Both were unchanged on my OHV.
       
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      Your correct, and I stand corrected, I went with The Pro M because it is of all steel construction and is made for the MAC intake.
      Am certain both the Granitelli and the ProM are both comparable
       

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      The discussion was concerning the SOHC engine.
       
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      let me jump back in,,,,,

      The PRO-M is not a big winner in the cost = HP catagory. But if ya wanna make it go every mod counts to one degree or another.
      The major reason I got the PRO-M for my Ex was the MAC intake. Sticking an ugly ass black MAS where, really a chrome one belongs.
      But this thread is not about show but about go.

      I have driven my Ex both with the PRO-M MAS and the OEM MAS in other wise identical settings. Better responce, better midrange and starts, better MPG.
      Again I will add none of these are in tremendous amounts, but all were noticable and welcome.

      Either way it is a heavy ass SUV with the aerodynamics of a Twinkie, how quick are they really gonna get ?
       

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