Joscibo
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- 2004 Explorer
Send me a PM so I know what you need to get out of it, if you would. Thanks.
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Send me a PM so I know what you need to get out of it, if you would. Thanks.
Well success, I have installed the timing chains, timed the motor and just waiting for a couple of parts to arrive, Joscibo, has been indispensable in this fix, thank you! One thing I will add, if you are doing your first one of these, buy, beg or borrow the OTC kit, makes things a heck of a lot easier, once I had the motor to TDC, I was able to mark the timing lobe on the cam shaft and the oil feed line going across the top of the cam bearing journals, so it made it real easy to make sure everything was in line putting it back together, but you need to make sure and find a way to hold that cam once you take everything apart.
Ok, Crank Shaft Pulley bolt, I have read 41 pounds, then 85 degrees, 37 pounds then 90 degrees, 33 pounds, 80 degrees, which one is correct and who thinks this crap up? Why can't they just give you a final torque value, like in the old days!
One thing I will add, if you are trying to figure out how to get your balancer on, this is how I did it, A 1 inch diameter deep socket, tap with a 4 pound hammer, lightly, you have room between the rad and the pulley, once you get it in about 1/2 of the way, install the old bolt you took out, then tighten down slowly until you only have the snout sticking out about 1/4 quarter of an inch, then take the old bolt out, install the new bolt and slowly tighten in short intervals, until it is seated and starts the move the engine, grab with your hands and turn back to TDC, and install the wood jig mentioned in this thread, with the long side below the frame and finish tightening.
Don't even think about the pulley install kit that Autozone lends, it didn't work on this particular pulley, so you have to come up with an inventive way to install, I spent all day yesterday trying to find a longer bolt or a piece of threaded rod, which nobody in my local small town had, they all told me, they would have to order a piece for me and it would take a couple of weeks to get it.
37 to 40 lb-ft + 90 degrees should do it.
Problem with torque is that if they told you 250 lb-ft, just a burr on the thread, or friction on the thread, or loctite, or anything, could greatly make that number far off. You might get 180, 300, 200 all with the same bolt and torque wrench.
At the lower torque values, friction doesn't mess the numbers up much. So they tell you to go to moderate torque, like 37 to 40 in this case. Then a torque angle. This way everyone goes 90 degrees regardless of frictions or messed up thread or loctite or whatever messing with the reading.
I use the bolt to install the balancer, too. Even though it freaks some people out. I use the old bolt and lube it with motor oil. Lube under the flange on the head of the bolt and the threads.
This will let it draw the pulley on without doing (as much) damage to the threads. The reduction in friction also keeps the engine from spinning, usually.
Then remove the old bolt, stick your brake cleaner straw in and spray out the crank snout threads. Then blow it out with air. Then install your new crank bolt.
I like to put a little blue loctite for insurance even though ford says it's not needed.
Glad the wood jug is working out for you!
As you can see, I edited my message and had to go the other way, the wood jig broke! So my beady little mind started thinking and I just used the cam shaft holding tool to stop anything from moving, I knew the engine was timed correctly, so even if it moved a little, it would not make a difference, all done now. I did give it a touch of blue, for good measure, but I am selling this thing when I am done and it will become someone else's problem to deal with, I am going to find one with a V-8 in it, Or I am going to go looking for an Expedition.
I suggest that you check your fuel pressure. If it is good then I suggest that you perform a compression test on at least one cylinder in each bank. That will eliminate incorrect camshaft timing as a possibility.
Well I am done for the season, pulled the right hand valve cover and found that the rear timing cassette is gone as well, so will be parking it, cover it up and finish next spring, I hate these motors, what a piss poor design. This is the second motor in this rig and only has about 80K on it, had the oil changed regularly at 4000 miles, I am meticulous on taking care of my cars, this is just very disappointing.