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1997 MM 5.0 TC & WP refresh & ignition coil-near-plug conversion-Temporarily on hold-

@CDW6212R Earlier I was looking down towards the lines and I saw a 2" wide heat shield. I found another option for Ranger swap headers however they are currently not available. IIRC they are for 82-97 Ranger 5.0 swaps. I would like to borrow some for about an hour to check the fit.
Advance Adapters 717044.
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Someone with some skills and a tig could make some to fit a Gen II 5.0 Explorer.
Too bad these BBKs wont fit F150 BBK headers

Advance Adapters SlickFit Headers 717044​

 



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@CDW6212R Earlier I was looking down towards the lines and I saw a 2" wide heat shield. I found another option for Ranger swap headers however they are currently not available. IIRC they are for 82-97 Ranger 5.0 swaps. I would like to borrow some for about an hour to check the fit.
Advance Adapters 717044.
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Someone with some skills and a tig could make some to fit a Gen II 5.0 Explorer.
Too bad these BBKs wont fit F150 BBK headers

Those look like a decent possibility other than for the steering shaft.

Here's a view of mine with the front diff out, note the hanger bracket is broken off in both pictures. The first one it's just hanging by the small bolt holding the line bracket to it. The swap headers with the collector going back farther than the stock one, it would be very close to that hanger bracket on the frame. The lines are away from the frame by a good 1.5" or more.

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@CDW6212R I can tell that the 2nd pic is the driver's side. Is the first pic the driver's side too?
 






Wild! Failed factory welds you are hard on your truck lol
 






@CDW6212R I can tell that the 2nd pic is the driver's side. Is the first pic the driver's side too?

Yeah they are both the left side, see the same hole in the frame where the weld tore out there. I've been busy and haven't yet gotten to whittle that hanger bracket some to make it fit back in place, to weld yet. I just drove 350 miles today to pick up an open box 75" TV; I'm tired.
 






I picked up a right-hand 1977 Mustang II (2) V-8 exhaust manifold to experiment with. It turns down quite a bit. I haven't slid up under the Mountaineer to see what all is involved undoing the factory headers and Y-pipe. I know heat will be involved. I need to go swap acetylene bottles at tractor supply. Picture of "hen's tooth" below.
1977 mustang 2 rh exhaust manifold.JPG

I'm looking at a 1997 F150 driver's side exhaust manifold for the left side. I expect the intermediate steering shaft to interfere.
1997 F150 drivers side exhaust manifold.JPG
 






Here are a few pics from earlier in the week when I worked with the template for the first time.
Driver's side coil in position 3 blows in to the header.
test fit bracket 01.jpg

Another pic.
test fit bracket 02.jpg

Passenger side has issues too. It looks like the coils could move up an inch.
test fit bracket 03.jpg

3rd on this side is touching the AC box.
test fit bracket 04.jpg

I'm going to work with the bracket again with the ps pump and upper plenum in place. I haven't had any new ideas on the bracket.
That's why my attention has shifted to the exhaust.
 






Keep
Going! Rome wasn’t built in a day

I have pics if those tri y headers in a v8 ranger somewhere on my pc… they sure look like they work from what I remember

There is also a set of bbk headers that can come really close to working I will try to find that old info
 






That would be great! Earlier, I was looking at your Ranger 5.0 post/pictures of the exhaust work to see how far I will need to mod the system from different manifolds or headers back to the tail pipe. Do you know if a V-6 tail pipe is the same as V-8? I don't think that I've seen your tail pipe pic?
I saw the x pipe in place and a picture of the pair of mufflers. That's as far as I have gotten in the re-read.
Is the X-pipe positioned where the catalytic converter was?
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They x pipe is right where a converter was yes, or close to that spot. My Downpipes are all custom and tucked up way higher then the stock exhaust

When placing a crossover or x pipe you want to get it up near the Downpipes closer to the header… so I put it about as far forward as possible

The sohc has 2.25” tailpipe I believe so does the v8 they are very similar. However the 5.0 has an additional resonator back there behind the muffler

You have not seen tailpipe pics yet because they are both being built! Coming very very soon
I ordered two factory ranger sohc tail pipes to work from… the second one is being delivered today! I have wrapped up all other projects so that Feb is 100% 07 ranger month
 






Yesterday after arriving back from a very important errand, a delivery truck showed up with the 1977 Mustang II (2) RH V-8 manifold. (@Josh P has a pair of V-8 M II manifolds). I stacked the RH Explorer header on top of the M II manifold and the exhaust exit end of the M II matches up to the curve of the Explorer manifold with a piece of downpipe attached.
1977 mustang 2 rh exhaust manifold arrived.jpg

I believe this will work for the right side. For those of you thinking, "you need headers", in a perfect world, yes. However, I'm trying to come
up with a quick solution for #1, 5.0 coil-near-plug engine. Soon to come #2 5.0 I will have a header solution for it. I'm still working on that.
 






I wonder what the inner diameter of the M II manifolds are vs the stock explorer?
 






Yesterday when I was looking at it, the log part of it looks to be of a pretty good size compared to the early 1965 Mustang type.
 






@Josh P The manifold is as big around as this PB Blaster can. In the picture the can looks bigger but they are really about the same.
1977 blaster.jpg

3 u-joints for the steering if necessary to make a new intermediate steering linkage. If I don't need them for this one, I do on the 54 F100.
2 double, double "D"s and one DD x Ford V. Waiting on the Heim joint.
steering 3 u-joints.jpg
 






U joints attached to piece of DD shaft.
steering shaft.jpg

@Josh P 1964 Falcon, Fairlane, 64.5 Mustang RH exhaust manifold beside 1977 M II manifold.
1977 exhaust manifold compare to 64 Falcon.jpg
 






Sunday, me and brother went up to Nashville to the fairgrounds for the 36th annual Stones river Car Club AACA Stones River region Swap Meet fund raiser. We walked for miles and looked a decades of car parts that were mostly American. I wasn't even thinking about needing a left hand valve cover for a 5.0 and I walked up on these. I ended up with the pair for $15-. I still need 2 more left hand (driver's side) 5.0 valve covers.
There is a date sticker on them that says 1999. The left one doesn't have brackets like my early '97 cover. Do these look like 1999 Explorer?
Could they be for a marine application?
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I also came across a 1965 door that I can use on my1966 Mustang for $50-.
1965 mustang door.jpg

The show is a good one to attend if you don't live too far away.
2025 Nashville Show
We parked at the Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway which is somewhere here in the southeast that I haven't been to.
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Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway 01.jpg
 






Saturday the Heim joint arrived and before lunch today, the 6 and 8 AN hose showed up along with an early Explorer 5.0 pick up tube. Thanks Jon.
It's possible that the tube is for the aluminum pan. It has an F6 part number. At some point, I will see if it will fit the steel pan. It is for another engine.
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Also, observe that pickup tube is twisted , look down length. The bend in the support bracket pulled the pickup end I think. Look closely.

It will probably reform easily once it's bolted to the block
 






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I've been trying to get some hands on when I'm not road tripping. Tuesday I took a 35 mile round trip to return a bore scope that I used to look in the oil pan that has been open because the timing cover has been off for tooo long. I didn't see anything. Some of you know that I sometimes have mice issues. I drained the oil and there wasn't anything in it. I then filled up one of those squeeze type ketchup/mustard bottles and squirted kerosene in to the pan. I checked it and found one little piece of organic matter. I had a late afternoon road trip south, 35 miles again, right during rush hour. I had to go then to get some early '90s 15" Ranger wheels with tires. 2 tires 15 yo and two 3 years old. They are short tires like you would see on a Mustang, but they will do what I need to help keep my Explorers on wheels with air in them. $90-. Pic of 2 good ones.
1992 Ranger chrome wheels.jpg

I've been prepping to install the new timing chain and gear set and while it is all this far apart, I installed the 2 wire, skinny flag type,
camshaft position sensor.
camshaft position sensor compare.jpg

The '97 MM (early 1996.5) 5.0 had the half moon style flag. The 1999 Crown Vic has a 2-wire sensor as part of its coil-on-plug system.
So does the 1999 Explorer.
1999 camshaft pos tool Tim.jpg

Tim from Canada fixed me up with a 2-wire camshaft pos sensor and an alignment tool. It can be installed without the tool. Just make sure that
it is indexed straight ahead when the engine is at top dead center. Fine tune, adjust the housing to center the flag in the opening. pic below.
1999 camshaft pos sensor aligned.jpg

Late in the afternoon I received an email with the final design of the coil-near-plug brackets and I replied back "go for it". They will be cut,
tumbled? or something, the powder coated clear. This fab shop that I've slowly been working my foot in the door just recently purchased an
entire powder coating business in that is currently in operation and they plan on moving the entire operation to Hazel Green AL just barely 2 miles from me. They also make headers.;). I expect to have the brackets real soon.
Before I left work today, I wanted to put on the block adapter for the remote filter. Well guess what? It won't go on with the left block plate in place. It would have to be removed. Even though I have 3 FL-299s on the way, I think I will save them and the remote filter kit for the 2nd 5.0.
The original plan was to convert this engine then remove it and use it in the 1954 F100/1999 Ranger project. Now I've started collecting parts for a 2nd 5.0 for the '54. After all of this work to the Mountaineer, I want to keep it together. So far for the 2nd engine, I have an early '90s truck engine that may have the E7 truck heads, an Explorer oil pan, Explorer oil pick up tube. Also, I have all of the front dress off of a 1998 Explorer. Brackets, balancer, power steering and AC compressor. I still need all of the intake related parts. They were on the engine that I got the brackets off of, but I didn't get them. That truck has since been crushed by LKQ 2 years ago. I picked up 2 more 2 wire camshaft position sensors however they need bushings. I'm trying to find some cheap. I think that 1962 to 2001 small block, all of the bushings would be the same.
The filter solution is using the one that came off of it that 2 years ago converted it to fit the FL1A filter. I will be fine and save me some extra
disassembly time. I also don't want to take anymore parts off other than the powertrain harness that will need almost all of it unwrapped, check
each wire, add 4 coil drivers and replace all of the injector connectors with the 1999 style. I hope to get timing set and timing cover on
Thursday before having to close the project back up before the rain moves back in.
1997 mm filter adapter.jpg

More later.
 






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