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2013 Ford Explorer disappointment !!!

Sixonemale, totally agree, owned a Toyota Sequoia prior to this, and at 83,000 miles all I had done is oil changes, tires, and brakes. Got totalled in a crash, otherwise, would still be driving it. It was a 2008 and never experienced what I am experiencing with the Explorer. I switched to Ford to try an American vehicle, but not really sure it was a wise decision unfortunately. Mechanically, the engine and trans on the Explorer seem to be great, its the other nick knacks they need to address, maybe better quality control ??? Thank you to all of you for the support and information, I appreciate you taking the time to write...

I've owned a three Explorers. I was one of the first ones in SoCA to have one back in '91 and everyone looked at it and commented on it as if it came from Mars, then everyone ended up buying one. It had a pretty good engine, but build quality was lacking, front brakes and front suspension especially, not to mention several other areas. I then owned an '02 Explorer, a significant improvement, engine improved, better build quality and design from the '91. I now own a '15 Explorer and I do like it, but I don't think it's the build quality of a Toyota/Lexus. Toyota/Lexus make great engines and the interior build quality is second to none in IMO, plus they are easy to work on. Unless you've owned both, you will not understand these comments.

And if the question comes up why I have owned three? I came across deals too good to pass up on the '02 and '15, that in no way shape or form could I have bought a similar Toyota or Lexus for.
 



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The aluminum hooding corroding with paint bubbles in as little as two years is a documented major problem with a long thread on the topic.

I had it happen on my Ex within 3 years of build and only 31k miles. The aluminum is not properly anodized and/or the primer is bad/poorly applied. Where the paint bubbles often start is under the front lip of the hood and they creep to the top. A lot of water gets under the front lip when raining and stays there between the aluminum and rubber grommet and that area is not fully painted. One coat of primer. No base and clearcoat like the top of the hood.

This is quite simply a manufacturing defect/poor quality control. Having serious corrosion/paint bubbling (looks just like it does with rust) in under three years as a quite common problem is absolutely unacceptable.
 






Unfortunately, I still see a semi large gap between American and some of the better Foreign car manufacturers. Where each is actually made is a different question, I believe some Toyota's and Ford's are made and/or assembled in Mexico. With all of that said I own both and the overall Toyota build quality and engine and are still heads and tails above Ford, whom I regard as one of the better American brand of cars.

I have to agree with this. I have several times on this forum voiced the quality problem of the Explorer (and also got blasted for it by some, to the extend someone was even questioning my credibility). I know that some claim to have no or minor problems; maybe its true, or they are setting build quality standards lower on their list of priority. But on my car the lack of build quality is very obvious, the gap with Korean and Japanese cars, even compared with other products of Ford is huge. I pay my cars for hard earned cash: I expect decent quality; if I would lease, I would care much less.

I do not expect that this car will last 10 years in this extreme climate here; it will not hold up, whereas many other brands, including the Ford Expedition, or to a lesser extend Edge, will do still very well. My wife is the primary driver, and after we found last week that the AC cannot keep up with the summers here, she agreed we sell the car early next year, and cut our losses.

ps: on the positive side, we love the comfort, handling, the looks, all the safety features, and the self parking feature.
 






Welcome to the forum, understand your pain and cajun is off base. My 14 Ex has been great other than the chatter in the front power windows that have been fixed twice to no avail. The hood corrosion is not just a Ford problem but exists in other vehicles with aluminum hoods. My 2012 Grand Caravan has small bubbles right at the front edge of the hood, out of warranty.

Ford needs to step up on the arm rest issue as it is a known problem and expensive to replace the entire door panel.
 






I've read several posts about the arm rest failing, and I wonder how "big" the people are who have trouble with it. Seems like someone or something is putting a lot of pressure on the arm rest, something that I don't do.
 






I've read several posts about the arm rest failing, and I wonder how "big" the people are who have trouble with it. Seems like someone or something is putting a lot of pressure on the arm rest, something that I don't do.

Yeah, my arm rest is fine (knock on wood). I wonder if people are using it as leverage to get in and out of the Ex. Only seems to happen on driver's side. I just keep my hands and arm off the arm rest. Should not have to worry about avoiding it, but it's what I do. Still, I would expect it to hold up with use when we have seen this problem in short order.
 






The hood corrosion is not just a Ford problem but exists in other vehicles with aluminum hoods. My 2012 Grand Caravan has small bubbles right at the front edge of the hood, out of warranty.

Still no excuse. If other car makes were having transmissions blow up all over the place within two years of build, I would not find that as solace if that was happening to the Ex.
 






Hello everyone,

First of all, I want to say welcome to the community, Johnfeghali! My name is Tricia, and I’m the U.S. Ford Customer Service Representative. I’ll be here to assist with any questions or concerns.

In the meantime, if your Explorer is experiencing the same symptoms, please don’t hesitate to contact me. Please PM the model year of your vehicle, and the mileage. I’ll be happy to check the available options to assist! :)

I wish I could say I am a proud owner of an American made product, but in fact, I am disappointed...
Johnfeghali,

Please make an appointment at the dealer here. Let me know once it’s scheduled. I’ll check my resources! :D

Tricia
 






Sixonemale, totally agree, owned a Toyota Sequoia prior to this, and at 83,000 miles all I had done is oil changes, tires, and brakes. Got totalled in a crash, otherwise, would still be driving it. It was a 2008 and never experienced what I am experiencing with the Explorer. I switched to Ford to try an American vehicle, but not really sure it was a wise decision unfortunately. Mechanically, the engine and trans on the Explorer seem to be great, its the other nick knacks they need to address, maybe better quality control ??? Thank you to all of you for the support and information, I appreciate you taking the time to write...

I have had 4 Fords with (knock on wood), no major issues. I have also had a Toyota Corolla that was a lemon. So by your rationalization, I could say that Ford is leaps and bounds above Toyota? But I don't, because I do not make sweeping statements and understand man made vehicles, regardless of brand, all have issues and are not all identical. To come on here and bash a brand is a troll post. This comment section is about issues and solutions, not being inconsiderate and egocentrically bashing Ford with a broad brush to other people who obviously have many great stories and brand loyalty like myself and Cajun. Go trade in your "garbage" Ford for another problem-free Toyota. Why would you trade in a "problem free" car with 83,000 miles and switch to another brand anyway? Hmmmmm

Oh and the Explorers are made in Chicago...

Your issues and frustration are just, but to approach them the way you have, you are obviously the uneducated and unenlightened one.
 






Ecobeast, are you sure the Explorer is made in Chicago ? Or assembled in Chicago ? I will be more than happy to show you that many of the Explorers have units and parts made in Mexico, Brazil, etc....
 






Ecobeast, are you sure the Explorer is made in Chicago ? Or assembled in Chicago ? I will be more than happy to show you that many of the Explorers have units and parts made in Mexico, Brazil, etc....
It is assembled in Chicago at the Chicago Assembly Plant.

Peter
 






Hello everyone,

First of all, I want to say welcome to the community, Johnfeghali! My name is Tricia, and I’m the U.S. Ford Customer Service Representative. I’ll be here to assist with any questions or concerns.

In the meantime, if your Explorer is experiencing the same symptoms, please don’t hesitate to contact me. Please PM the model year of your vehicle, and the mileage. I’ll be happy to check the available options to assist! :)


Johnfeghali,

Please make an appointment at the dealer here. Let me know once it’s scheduled. I’ll check my resources! :D

Tricia

Hi Tricia,

Thank you for your kind words. It is sometimes better to have kind words to address problems than just to attack people without being in their shoes. Irregardless, I have PM'd you my appointment with the dealer. Any help you can provide will be appreciated.

Thank you....
 






Never have I been on a board where the 'brand argument' doesn't exist. Always the same argument about the same things. Everybody whose ever owned brand A finds brand B to be sub par in comparison and vice versa.

I drove a '65 Ranchero for thirteen trouble free years. I was the fourth owner. Other than normal maintenance, no problems. When I bought my first new ride, a '90 Toyota SR5 4x4 Extracab, I sold the Ranchero to my brother who was the second owner. I drove the Toyota for 9 years and right at 100k miles, it popped the head gaskets. I proceeded to do an engine tear down to replace them and on one of my visits to Toyota for a part, I mentioned I was doing the head gaskets on my Toy. The counter guy said, " I think I can help you with that, wait one". He proceeded to get the service manager who came over to me, asked me a few questions about my truck and said, "We can take care of that for you, your truck is covered under so and so TSB bulletin". I said "OK". They came to my house with a car hauler, picked up my already torn down truck and parts and hauled it back to their shop and finished the job at no cost to me.

The point is, all manufacturers of cars have their issues. It's how well the dealerships and manufacture and...the customer, handle these issues that really makes the difference. If you're looking for perfection, you won't find it with any manufacture. I thought the boys at Toyota handled my issue very professionally and with concern to my satisfaction. That is what I would expect all car dealers and manufacturers would do. It's all one could ask for.

For the record, my Toyota was the only vehicle I had with a known problem at which I had them take care of and they did it well. I bought the Toyota because I didn't care for the boxy look of the Ford Rangers of the time (1990). Otherwise I would have bought a Ranger. Since that time, I've bought nothing but Ford, 4 Mustangs and a '07 Ranger 4x4 extended cab which I bought new and which I have to this day and now, the Explorer. Not one of my previous Fords has seen the inside of a dealership repair bay as I've had zero issues with any of them with normal maintenance and I expect the Explorer will follow suit. But, if I do have a warranty issue of any kind, as a customer, my hope is all will go well with the repair to my satisfaction. I think that is where most customers may have the majority of their issues. That and their preconceived notions about manufacturers which for the most part these days, are unfounded, IMO.

If you go into a purchase with a new-to-you manufacturer after buying from a different manufacturer, you already have a 'preconceived notion' of the new one. From all the reports and stories you've ever heard, you have an opinion embedded in your mind already. So, the first time you have an issue with the new manufacturer, the stories start coming out about how poor the quality is on your new ride. You can find these stories on every board with every manufacturer. They all will never buy brand x again, etc., for any number of reasons, good or bad. It's all a big crap shoot and we all hope to roll a 7 every time. If Fords were so bad in quality, they would be gone. Fortunately, there are way more satisfied customers than unsatisfied...with all, current, manufactures. So, manufacturers like Ford are still in business and sell enough to stay that way to satisfied customers, in spite of all the rules and regulations heaped on them from the various government agencies and the beat goes on.

Find a good dealership that's concerned with your issues and whom will cooperate to the best of their ability to please you. Good customer relations is the key to a successful outcome but, it's a two way street. You go into a dealership with an attitude, you may get it right back. It's human nature. If you go in seeking the answers to you issues with a good attitude, you'll probably be rewarded in kind and have your issues taken care of to the satisfaction of both parties. :salute:
 






What he said. ^^ :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Peter
 






MikB, my frustration lies in the fact I wanted to buy American, and I had already owned Jap cars and had a certain standard I expected. I support your statement fully and have replied to Tricia above and scheduled an appointment with a dealer Saturday hoping what you mentioned in your comment will come true and Ford hopefully will see the defect that I am talking about. I will update you all Saturday. I also hope if someone else is experiencing the same problems as I am they post to this thread that way it becomes informative and not a "troll post", whatever the hell that means !!!
 






Never have I been on a board where the 'brand argument' doesn't exist. Always the same argument about the same things. Everybody whose ever owned brand A finds brand B to be sub par in comparison and vice versa.

I drove a '65 Ranchero for thirteen trouble free years.......... :salute:


peterk9 said:
What he said. ^^

Peter

What BOTH these guys said!!:thumbsup:

Also, Ecobeast sees it the same as I originally did. Thanks!!

Johnfeghali - Your Toyota Sequoia was built in the USA - http://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/where-are-toyota-cars-built

:)
 






Mr Cajun, the difference is the rest relayed their opinions nicely and were not looking for a confrontation. You seem to keep missing the point. I am not bashing American made product, I am merely stating there is a quality difference. Whether the Toyota was assembled in Kentucky or Ford in Chicago, it matters not, its who is being allowed in the assembly line and where the parts are made !!! Found out today that Ford is allowing paint manufacturers in the factory to paint the panels, not sure about my source although gentleman works at a Ford dealership, but I was told they are saving money and not applying enough product. Just an example of what I am complaining about, quality control. In the end, as previously stated by MikB, as long as it is taken care of and the manufacturer takes responsibility.
 






Hi Tricia,

Thank you for your kind words. It is sometimes better to have kind words to address problems than just to attack people without being in their shoes...
You’re very welcome, Johnfeghali.

I replied. Please PM the requested info, and I’ll get the ball rolling on my end! :)

Tricia
 






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