eemer600
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- 1997 Ford Aerostar
I have a misfire and rought idle that is very repeatable after about five to ten minutes of warmup. No DTC codes are set.
I bought the ScanXL software from Palmer Performance Engineering (PPE). I was surprised to discover the data collection (USB) device that I bought from Amazon was relatively cheap, compared to hand held scanners. The Ford OBDII PIDs are proprietary, and not readily available on hand held scanners.
Anyway, I was finally able to see my O2 sensor voltage, and my injector pulse width via the Ford PIDs. I also loaded and read the Ford misfire PIDs for all six cylinders.
The rough idle that I experience after warmup is not due to a change in injector pulse width due to a lean condition. These stay steady while cylinders 2 and 5 begin random misfire after about ten minutes of running. Injector pulse width at idle is between 50 and 60 milliseconds. O2 sensor, while I could not graph for realistic view, I did see it toggle between around .1 volt and .7 volt. And if it was a vacuum leak or fuel pressure problem, I would expect other cylinders to display misfire.
I researched and found that the ignition coil pack uses cylinders 1 and 5, 2 and 6 and 3 and 4 as the pairs for the three coil pack. The firing order is 1,4,2,5,3,6, which makes sense, because this order goes through each coil and repeats for each cylinder.
So if the misfire on cylinders 2 and 5 is not the coil pack, what is it? The only other thing I can think of is the intake manifold. Is the middle of the manifold loose and leaking and causing 2 and 5 to misfire after warmup? I replaced the oxygen sensor. It was orange, and not heavily coated. I checked manifold vacuum and it was steady, nearly 20 inches Hg.
I really do not see mechanical symptoms that relate to the cylinders 2 and 5 misfire, so I am baffled. I really want to say it is the coil pack, but the wrong cylinders are misfiring. I am really looking forward to feedback from the esteemed Aerostar forum. Thank you all in advance.
I bought the ScanXL software from Palmer Performance Engineering (PPE). I was surprised to discover the data collection (USB) device that I bought from Amazon was relatively cheap, compared to hand held scanners. The Ford OBDII PIDs are proprietary, and not readily available on hand held scanners.
Anyway, I was finally able to see my O2 sensor voltage, and my injector pulse width via the Ford PIDs. I also loaded and read the Ford misfire PIDs for all six cylinders.
The rough idle that I experience after warmup is not due to a change in injector pulse width due to a lean condition. These stay steady while cylinders 2 and 5 begin random misfire after about ten minutes of running. Injector pulse width at idle is between 50 and 60 milliseconds. O2 sensor, while I could not graph for realistic view, I did see it toggle between around .1 volt and .7 volt. And if it was a vacuum leak or fuel pressure problem, I would expect other cylinders to display misfire.
I researched and found that the ignition coil pack uses cylinders 1 and 5, 2 and 6 and 3 and 4 as the pairs for the three coil pack. The firing order is 1,4,2,5,3,6, which makes sense, because this order goes through each coil and repeats for each cylinder.
So if the misfire on cylinders 2 and 5 is not the coil pack, what is it? The only other thing I can think of is the intake manifold. Is the middle of the manifold loose and leaking and causing 2 and 5 to misfire after warmup? I replaced the oxygen sensor. It was orange, and not heavily coated. I checked manifold vacuum and it was steady, nearly 20 inches Hg.
I really do not see mechanical symptoms that relate to the cylinders 2 and 5 misfire, so I am baffled. I really want to say it is the coil pack, but the wrong cylinders are misfiring. I am really looking forward to feedback from the esteemed Aerostar forum. Thank you all in advance.