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So i recemtly picked up yet another explorer (95) solely for the motor, knowing it had a bad trans (automatic). Loaded it up without any questions amd headed on my way. Turned out to be a 2wd. So my interest is now peaked at the endless possibilities of swaps. But my question is what 5 speed could i use with the 4.0? Ive been told by a buddy that the 5.0 is a bolt in swap with the 4.0 auto trans. Is this still true with the 5 speed? He also says the m50d from the f150 with the 300 6 cylinder is the same. Its going to be a project regardless what i do with it. But would like to 5 speed swap first then maybe dowm the line 5.0 swap it with out doing trans again as well
 



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The 4.0 has a different bolt pattern from the 4.9/5.0. If it's a 4.0 engine, you'd need a 2.9 or 4.0 5 speed from a Ranger, or a 4.0 transmission from an Explorer.
 






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So the transmission from 4.0 wont work with a 5.0?
 






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No, definitely not..
 






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Ok thanks! My ford buddy has been feeding me false info for a while it seems lol
 






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You need a M5R1 or M5R2 also know as M5OD-1 or 2
 






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For which motor? From what im understanding the bellhousings are different?
 






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M5ODR1 or M5ODHD are Ranger /Explorer 5 speed transmissions and you'd need one from a 2.9 or 4.0 to bolt up to a 4.0. For a 5.0,you'd need an M5ODR2. If memory serves, you'd need one from a 4.2, but I don't remember why that engine version is required. 4.9,5.0, and 351W/351C all used the same bolt pattern.
 






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it does have to be from a F150 4.2 between 97-03 i believe. or can one from a F150 with a 302 in it. but the revision of the transmission does not matter if its m5r1 or 2. The 2 being a more beefy unit from what I have read.
 






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The m5r1 is for v6s, the m5r2 is for v8s.
 






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The m5r1 is for v6s, the m5r2 is for v8s.
R1 was also used behind the 2.3 liter 4 cylinder, for what it's worth. Essentially the R1 is a smaller transmission though. Not a generational thing at all, they're just built for different applications.
 






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Sure, and probably the 3.0 too, but the bolt pattern is different for both of them and not swappable to a 4.0.
 






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That's correct, I was just responding to the 'M5ODR1 for V6's' bit.
 






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Even if the 4.0 transmission bolted up you’d be crazy to do it. The M5OD’s aren’t the beefiest transmissions available, but they are a step up from the 4R/5R.
 






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unless you're speed shifting the m50r1 is a good trans behind a 4.0.
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