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I am replacing all the exterior hex head trim/panel bolts out with Stainless hardware. I originally planned on spraying the trim & bolt heads with UV clear coating, but have changed my mind on doing that. Reason being is I want to remove all the trims, and place thin rubber washers between the trim and body panels. All the aluminum trim will still get coated, but while loose. While I am doing that, I will use new hardware, might as well go with stainless.

So I need to choose a style to use. There are 125 total to replace, so now is the time to make the choice, as these aren't cheap, and constant removal/install will only destroy the threaded holes in the 1/8" wall frame tubes.

Tell me what you think. Here are the choices....

SS Hex head, like already installed.

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SS Phillips

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SS Randolph

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SS Truss Phillips. These have a thinner flatter head.

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The Hex heads give it an industrial look, but they really stand out. I don't know, if that is a good or a bad thing.


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If the non hex head bolts have large tool inserts in them, a #3 Phillips for example, I'd prefer those. If they tool used to remove them is small, like a #2 Phillips, avoid those if possible. Stripping any bolt because the tool doesn't hold it well, is bad, and we all know how much a pain typical Phillips screws are. The #3 sized screws rarely will do that, and I think the same will be the case with good sized Allen or Torx tools. If you think one might be a problem, use something else, the hex headed bolts won't do that in light duty applications.

So I vote for the one you like the best, as long as the tool size is bigger than average.
 

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These are a #12 18-8. Unfortunately, the Phillips & Randolph style SS only come in #2.

I also prefer the hex bolt heads for reasons of stripping, but replacing these after install, will be extremely low, for the future. The hex heads are the clear winner for stripping reasons, but... because of the amount of them, they do play into the overall look of this trailer.

SS bolts of this size are difficult to work with, as SS is brittle, and they do snap in half a lot easier than galvanized steel versions. It's a catch 22. Strip the Phillips slots, or snap the heads off.
 

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Torx?

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I’d go with square (I know these as Robertson?) or Torx.
 

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I didn't see any SS torx from my supplier in the #12's x 3/4". Those would be much better than Phillip's for sure.

I've always called the sq bits Randolph, but if others call em Roberts, that increases my searches for pricing. :) these also work well, and are common in SS screws, but mostly in wood screws for decking.

Guess I'm curious to what others think about the hex head look, before I choose. They look industrial to me, and not sure it fits with the look of this thing. Smaller heads will not stand out as much, and be more streamlined.

Just don't know what to do here. Lol
 

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I really like the Torx head bolts, but the applications are somewhat limited.
 

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I think a low profile pancake head or wafer head would look good...

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Pancake looks the same as Truss heads. I am considering those, if they come in something other than Phillips. Haven't seen those wafer heads before. I will search them out, to see if they come in stainless or not.

I have decided to stay away from anything in Phillips. I have some counter sunk Phillips flat heads, holding the main walls to the frame, and thinking back to install, I hated them. Stripped out at least 25% of them while installing, but that's what I had at the time. That's back when it was first being built, and over 100 miles away from home, and was pressed for time each and every day, I was there working on this thing. Stopping to go find different screws in BFE, wasn't an option. Live & learn.
 
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And...I like the hex head. Maybe not as pretty, but for practical reasons its sure nice. Doesn't fill with crud, no real issues of stripping the head, etc.
In my opinion, the phillips head looks the nicest, since its the flattest.

edit: I missed the last couple of posts....Busy working while I'm browsing/replying. I like flat....
 

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You'll need to use some washers under the head anyway because of how the threads run out when attaching sheet metal. You'll see what i mean once you get going.
since you are concerned with appearance I suggest an upholstery ( flush finish) washer which makes screws appear more flush. several styles out there.

 

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Yep, already accounted for. I have a couple hundred rubber washers that have aluminum washers on top of them. They are used on all the existing screws as is. I am doing all this because, I am adding a 2nd setup under the trim, to the panels to seal them up tight.

With the aluminum trim, and the two rubber washers with alum washers, there is 1/4" gap between the heads and the body panel. The washers I am installing work on any #12 bolt/screw.

Also have to stick with a metal screw with 18-8 thread, as the frame tubes are already tapped for them, and the holes drilled in the panels are for this size, and I'm not going bigger, as that would require paint work.
 

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Torx or square. If you use a hex head screw, you run the risk of scratching the paint with the socket.
 

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Low profile. You'll agree as soon as you catch a finger (or anything else) on the screw head sticking out. It does happen. Besides the low profile gives it a much cleaner look.
 

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If I can find the truss heads in something other than Phillips, and in the size needed, think those are the way to go.

Jon, I will try to find a couple of those washers, and see how the rubber washers fit under them. I am using flat heads for a flush fit, so not sure if these will help any. Thanks tho.

Edit: I used pan heads for the body panels, and had to countersink each one with a special bit, to make the heads flush with the panels. That was a royal PITA, but was worth it in the end.
 
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On tonight's episode of....... Night Shade!!....The builder was bored, and hot glued some junk together.


Staring at a pile of cut off scraps, then the trailer, then the scraps, then the trailer,..... a light came on.

Test fit for my brain fart idea was a success. Talley Ho Scallywags!! Let's do this.....

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Broke out the chop saw, the welder, some clamps, and the gloves. Wasn't long before I had a nose full of black soot, and this thing came to be.

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More on this after it's finished and installed, stay tuned for the next episode of..........

Night Shade!!
 
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