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I don't know how accurate this, you can take it for what it's worth :cool:...I pulled it off of the Auburn Extreme Racing Club's website.
Ten Best Tips for Fearless Flying
By Dr. Umberto Bigone
Special to Car & Driver

Speeding-ticket headaches? Dr. Bigone has just the medicine for you. by Dr. Umberto Bigone

Umberto Bigone (bee-GO-nay) ranks as one of the world's most enthusiastic motorists. At home here in Europe, or even in Canada, Dr. Bigone's license is pristine and points-free, which is to say clean, making him, statistically at least, a paragon of law-abiding propriety, a status he has enjoyed for decades.

How, we asked Dr. Bigone, can he drive so rapidamente so regularly, while for the rest of us it's all we can do to keep our points total below the license-threatening redline? Generously, he has consented to share with us his ten best tips for flying on the highway without fear. Of cops. These tips are, most of them, methods we here at Car and Driver are well acquainted with, but Dr. Bigone's unique presentation conveys them concisely and in one highly entertaining and easy-to-use package.

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I, Dr. Umberto Bigone, lover of high velocity vehicles and of using them in the manner that God intended, share for the first time with my fellow enthusiasts knowledge gained over decades of experience on heavily patrolled highways of the nation and the world. I do this free of charge, though the evolution of my secrets came in small, incremental, often expensive steps as new situations, new equipment, and new measurement techniques caused my original Golden Rule ("Watch Your Rear-View Mirror' ) to blossom into the Ten Best Ways.

As in all offers American, a disclaimer is called for: if, after you learn these rules, you are apprehended, please do not attempt to call me and threaten legal action. Remember that advice may be worth no more than what you paid for it ( nothing in this instance) and that Dr. Bigone's special remedy cannot eliminate the risk of apprehension, though my tips can and do dramatically reduce such risk.

RULE 1: SELECT PROPER EQUIPMENT
You cannot hope to speed with impunity without proper equipment. The best radar detector money can buy is a mandatory investment. But there is more: think about the car itself. A bright red Ferrari F40 or Lamborghini Diablo, and a bespoilered and fat-tired Mustang GT are "ticket magnets". A nondescript Ford Aerostar, in mouse-gray- metallic, or a powder-blue generic U.S. sedan, are largely ticket-proof. It is sad, but the more overtly your vehicle displays the intent for high-speed use, the less it will be capable of doing so. Perhaps this fact explains why, in a presumably Darwinian evolution, Corvette drivers have become slower and slower, to the point of now being tragic but amusing mobile chicanes. The answer to driving fast without resorting to a dull automobile is the sports sedan, and fine examples abound, ranging from the Infiniti Q45 to the Taurus SHO and the Dodge Sprint R/T. If ordered in other than "Arrest-Me-Red", the modern sports sedan will provide many more miles of hassle free motoring at far greater speeds than a more "overt" vehicle. All cars may look the same to a radar gun, but radar is not the only threat, and if you are stopped, the type of vehicle you drive and what it says is about your driving style can be of decisive importance.

RULE 2: RECOGNIZE THE THREAT EARLY
This is a straightforward rule. Believe your detector, even if it gives only a short, uncertain signal. It may well be the dreaded K-band "instant-on" aimed at vehicles ahead of you. How often have I, hurtling down the highway, heard the first plaintative bleat from my Escort, pulled courteously to the right, permitted my close follower (in disregard of Rules 5 and 6) to blast by, only to have him receive a full dose of microwaves seconds later. This is inevitably followed by the offensive sucking-vacuum sound of a large police cruiser rushing past the now sanctimomously-slow Dr. Bigone. The scene ends, so sad, with a display of flashing lights somewhere up ahead. Scanning X-band radar is falling into increasing disuse, and many agencies are resorting to traditional seek-and-pace techniques. Or they may sneak up behind, match your speed, and then, within range, squeeze off a burp of instant-on to lock up the evidence. So sad, yes?

You must learn to recognize "threat" vehicles. Even though the telltale "light bar" is increasingly absent, threat vehicles have some common characteristics they are almost always American, usually full-size Fords, full-size Chevrolets, Mustang GTs, or Plymouth Gran Furys/Dodge Diplomats. Period.

Even without light bars, you should be able to pick out these vehicles at great distances by looking for windshield-pillar mounted spotlights (carefully folded inward) and, more importantly, fat tires. When approaching a suspect vehicle from the rear, look for the above cues plus check the underside for the telltale stabilizer bar, especially on Chevrolets.

If you think you see a well-shod white, ivory, blue, or black Diplomat, Caprice, Mustang, or Crown Vic in your rear-view mirror, slow down! Permit him to come closer for positive identification. The seconds lost are meaningless and quickly regained if the possible threat is found to be benign.

When entering a new state, take a few moments at a local gas pump to learn what types of vehicles and what types of surveillance the indigenous enforcement professionals use. It's time well spent.

RULE 3: MAINTAIN A GOOD DAYTIME SCAN
Daytime threat-avoidance is different from night-avoidance. You see the threat earlier, but he also sees you. (This is where the wisdom of Rule 1 becomes apparent Innocuous cars may pass unnoticed.)

When moving smartly in daylight hours, constantly scan your mirrors and the road ahead for threats. Slow when going through underpasses, for the enforcer may be parked out of sight behind the far-side concrete. Be suspicious of any vehicle parked on the inside or outside shoulder. Slow down until you are sure it is not an enforcer. Check on-ramps as you drive by them. Give a quick look over your right shoulder, all the way to the top of the on-ramp to ensure that it is clean of the authorities. Monitor your rear-view mirror constantly for any sign of unusual activity. Try to remember cars that you pass. If, later, you see what appears to be a possible threat vehicle far behind you and don't remember passing it, slow down for identification. Even if you are reasonably sure you passed it, if that vehicle is now matching your speed (not getting smaller in your rear-view mirror), slow down for positive identification.

Proper daytime scan has saved the author as many as five times per month.

RULE 4: MAINTAIN A GOOD NIGHT SCAN
At night, the radar-silent enforcer is hard to see. The daytime rules of underpass-slowing and on-ramp checking apply, but are more difficult to execute.

The risk of moving up on an enforcer vehicle can be minimized by learning taillights. This is largely a process of elimination: pickups, vans, minivans, and Japanese or European vehicles are not likely to be threats. Nor are Chevettes, Escorts, GM J-bodies, or any front-wheel-drive vehicle. But if it looks large, or has Mustang LX taillights, you must immediately look for folded-in spotlights and/or fat rubber. Tragically, if these items are present, you must slow down, though it might only be an employee of a private security service on his way home. You can't take the chance.

The prime instrument for night driving is the rear-view mirror, and the prime rule is to drive fast enough so that all headlights of passed motorists reduce rapidly in size. Any pair of headlamps that maintains the same size or the same separation between the lamps calls for immediate deceleration pending positive identification.

RULE 5: PRACTICE STEALTH, DECEPTION AND "HIDING"
You can move fast without exposing yourself, because you can usually find a "hare" who is pleased to demonstrate that his car is better than yours. Never attempt to dissuade him: instead, drop back to a safe distance and enjoy the radar shield. Do maintain the rear scan, because threat vehicles coming from behind you are now your responsibility.

Moving in a lane containing Class 8 trucks some distance ahead will also shield your car until you pass the truck. In daylight hours, you may choose to run at times with lights, at times without, hiding yourself in front of a group of trucks when you change illumination. The reason for this is that an enforcer, having "noticed" you from a long distance back, will be looking for a certain as-yet-unidentified vehicle with lights on (or without) as he moves quickly up through traffic. Suddenly, he is in identifiable range of a vehicle similar in size and shape to the one he believes may have been violating, only now the illumination is different from what he saw earlier, thus rendering him unsure. Meanwhile, you, practicing Rule 2 and 3, will have slowed to a quasi-legal speed. This usually draws a perplexed and suspicious look from the officer, but no pull-over order, especially if you have removed your radar detector from the windshield or visor. An integral part of deception and hiding is the placement and removal of the detector. The unit belongs on the windshield or dash directly in front of you so that a following threat vehicle cannot see it. If you were an enforcer, would you not pursue vehicles wherein reside little amber or green blinking lights and kinky power cords, which can be seen from hundreds of feet away? If you believe you have been actually "noticed" by a trailing police vehicle, hide in front of large trucks, accelerate while under cover, and exit any off-ramp or rest area. At this juncture, you have nothing to lose.

Any time you believe that an officer wants to close in on you, remove the detector at once and place it on the seat next to you. If you are in imminent danger being stopped, execute the following emergency procedures in sequence: ( 1) remove detector and jam under seat, (2) wipe off suction cup or other telltale mark with moistened index fingertip, and (3) replace the cigarette lighter! An empty cigarette lighter outlet is a dead giveaway to the officer that he is dealing with a chronic but sly violator. He will treat you accordingly.

RULE 6: BEWARE OF SLOW MOVING "CLUMPS"
Many an otherwise-experienced and skillful motorist gets done in by what I call "clumps." Clumps are largish groups of vehicles covering all available lanes which move at, or close to, the posted limit. Danger lurks, strangely enough, because the vehicles are maintaining a very safe nose-to-tail distance, thus permitting the unsuspecting enthusiast to carefully make his way through. Unfortunately, when he emerges at the front of the clump, he will see a blinding array of flashing lights overwhelming his rearview mirror. Moral: most loose clumps contain at least one enforcer vehicle, one near the front (a marked cruiser) and maybe one near the center, or end, checking for lane-changing and in-and-out weaving. The latter may be unmarked, but knowledge of Rule 2 makes it a dead giveaway. There is no excuse for getting caught in a clump.

RULE 7: BEWARE OF CURVES, CRESTS, AND GRASSY MEDIANS
Instant-on may be placed so that the violator can be "shot" just as he crests a hill, before he has a chance to react. The crest ahead of you may also hide a police vehicle coming in the other direction, radar at the ready. Slow down before crests. It's safer.

RULE 8: AVOID UNPROFESSIONAL AND PROVOCATIVE BEHAVIOUR
The smart motorist does not alienate others. Slow to a moderate speed differential when passing other motorists. (After all, one of those benign-looking minivans may contain an off-duty officer equipped with pen and phone.) It is also good judgement to avoid provocative license plates such as "HI OFCR" or "SPEEDR." If I were an enforcer, I would give no breaks to those bearing the bumper sticker, "How's my driving Call 1-800-EAT-SHlT."

RULE 9: MAINTAIN A HIGH LEVEL OF ATTENTION AT ALL TIMES
Rapid motoring is a serious business incompatible with any simultaneous activity. Women can't conk their hair, males can't shave, and nose-probing is out of the question for both sexes. Caressing the passenger s fine thigh is permissible only while driving at, or near, the posted limit. Marital arguments, discussion of offsprings' grades, negotiations involving business - in person or on a car phone - are all incompatible with Rules 1 through 9. The enthusiast's favourite argument that the skilled, dedicated driver is safe at higher than average speeds holds true only if he is unimpaired and totally focused on the task at hand.

RULE 10: BEHAVE CORRECTLY WHEN STOPPED
Chronic rapid driving will, statistically, get you stopped sooner or later. Observance of Rules 1 through 9 will make it much, much later, but not "never." The consequences of the interception depend mightily on your behaviour.

Do not act blasé. A cocky stance of "Okay, so-you-got-me" is provocative. So is attempting to argue that there must be some terrible mistake, you know you were under the limit. Failure to remove the detector and the suction-cup marks and to replace the cigarette lighter will terribly disappoint the officer.

(It is now, by the way, that you wish you hadn't ordered the Sports Decor Pack," but this is a moot issue.)

Be courteous, candid, and contrite. Trembling while handing over your license demonstrates that this situation is an unusual and terrifying experience for you. It shows respect for the law and fear of punishment. (You'll do this automatically .)

The question, "Do you have any idea how fast you were going?" should be answered with, "Truly, I don't - my mind was wondering." (This is accurate: You were not focusing on Rules 1 through 9!) "But I must have been over the limit or I guess you wouldn't have stopped me." Note that you weren't speeding deliberately - no "late for work" or "catch a plane" excuses! Your attention drifted a bit, that's all, no premeditated criminally was involved!

At this point, the officer may run a computer check on your hopefully uninteresting driving record which, if you have been diligently and consistently been practicing Dr. Bigone s rules, will be point-free! The resultant action may well be (1) a warning, (2) a modest fine not involving points, or (3) some "break" in the reported excess speed, minimizing the points and thus limiting the damage. The author has experienced all of these outcomes.

There you have it! May you drive enjoyably, safely, with low insurance premiums and a good, clean driving record.

The preceding article appeared in Car and Driver Magazine in January 1991. The editorial department of Car and Driver has released this article for non-commercial use on the Internet and any other electronic networks and bulletin boards providing this disclaimer is attached. The article "Ten Best Tips for Fearless Flying" is written by Umberto Bigone (a psuedoynm) and the 1990 copyright and all rights to this story belong to Hachette Filipacchi Magazines.
 


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I don't mean to start a fight or anything, but why not just slow down a bit, or realize that if you do speed you could pay the consequences?
 




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tripp, you gotta love those auburn paring rules huh? i just got a ticet tonight after my cal. 1 midterm. me and a couple hundred other people. how lame is that?
 




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No kidding...I seem to get them a lot. Grr...I even got one at the Mississippi State basketball game back in January for parking on the grass. WTF?!?!? In all my years of going to athletic events at Auburn, neither my parents nor I have been ticketed.

Must be an effect of proration...I guess they're going to make it all up in parking tickets, lol...

Next year, I'm not going to even bother registering my car...I'm sick of having these go on my bursar's record anyways. I was talking to the cheif recruiter for Atlantic-Southeast Airlines and in your background check, they check for not only speeding tickets/DUIs, but they also look at campus parking tickets! With as many of those I have gotten, I'm never going to get a job!
 




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That auther makes highway drving out to be a game. I'm sure some new drivers has taken the article to heart and either wrecked or worse. Statistically they say you could speed every day you drive and never get a ticket until you're 100 years old. Some people never get tickets. Unlike me, since I've aquired about 6 tickets and pulled over about 18 times in my 8 years of driving. But then again having Mustangs and doing stupid things doesn't help either. Hence my nickname since a few people have asked me about it. :)
But anyway back to the point, I think that ariticle is a bad idea to publish in a major automobile magizine where impressionable minds can read that. I think the only sure-fire way to speed and avoid tickets is to become a police officer. ;) There, that's my 2 cents.
 




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Ya, that's why I posted the disclaimer at the beginning.

I was driving from Atlanta to Auburn on I-85 last Sunday and the traffic was awful...I counted 10 cops on my side of the interstate (in a 110 mile stretch). So no one was traveling more than the speed limit (70 mph), which was bunching up traffic. I couldn't use cruise control the entire way...:mad:

I understand it was Mardi Gras weekend, but shouldn't the cops have been watching traffic on the northbound lanes (which fed from I-65 in Mobile and I-10 in New Orleans)?
 




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Well even though I've been practicing those rules for decades, own a V1 detector, and cruise on the open highway at speeds in excess of 80, I'm going to refer everyone to my "Thought Provoking Article" thread in this forum...
 




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Raceit has a point.....Just become a police officer! That's where I'm headed....but adventually I'm gonna up that one and try for federal! Either FBI or DEA.....There are positions in either job that I wanna take....all it takes is time.....Though I may have authority, that still gives no reason for haulin ass at reckless speeds;)
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Originally posted by RFR2212
Raceit has a point.....Just become a police officer! That's where I'm headed....but adventually I'm gonna up that one and try for federal! Either FBI or DEA...
Hmm, you too? FBI is my backup plan, if Aviation doesn't work out...:D The way my course structure is situated, I can switch my major to Accounting (which, I have discovered, I am somewhat talented at...**shudder**) easily.
 




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Well, Western Illinois Univ is 4th in the nation for Law Enforcement......and Accounting is supposedly a huge help for the FBI
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This has nothing to do with the topic but a friend of mine is just about done with his schooling to become I think it's a United States Marshall, is that what tommy lee jones was in the Fugitive?
 




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I've been driving for over 15 years now and have only had 1 speeding ticket. That one was for 71 in a 55...I was passing a snail and the officer said I got a little too fast while passing. He flat out told me that if it hadn't been a holiday weekend he wouldn't even have pulled me over. I wouldn't say I'm a "sunday driver" either but I will usually set the cruise at 5 over the posted limit and have never been pulled over at that. I mean geez, that's fast enough. Don't have a radar detector, but basically follow similar ideas that this guy has...don't just blindly fly down the highway without regard to anything/anyone. Pay attention to what's going on around you and slow down a little if you see something suspicious, use turn signals, don't tailgate. It's simple and incredibly less stressful.
 




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Originally posted by RFR2212
no reason for haulin ass at reckless speeds;)
Pete

I know this wasnt the point of your post but its a good start off to what I want to say.

We arent really talking about reckless speeds here. 70 in a 55 is not reckless if the flow of traffic is 70. In that situation 55 is the reckless speed, not 70. The problem is that speed limits on our highways are set way too low.

Think about it, how many times have you been on a highway where the flow of traffic is close to the speed limit? I can count the number of times I have encountered such highways on one hand. I do a lot of highway driving, and in my opinion speed limits need to start at 65...and in some places need to be as high as 85-90. What we need to do is set speed limits to what everyone already drives.

Now, I know what you're thinking. "Steve, you uneducated peckawood, if we raise speed limits to 65 from 55...people will just drive 10MPH faster than they do now". Well, thats not exactly true. There was a study done a few years ago called the Parker Report which states basically that on the highway people drive the speeds they drive...lowering or raising the speed limit makes no difference. Fact of the matter is, people drive these speeds, traffic fatalities decline every year, when the limits are raised people dont go faster, so we need to raise the limits.

"So, then why dont we raise speed limits Steve?" Well, its pretty simple why we dont. The government stands to loose a LOT of money from speed enforcement revenues if they cant just set up on the side of Interstate whatever and pick off people for doing the flow of traffic on Monday afternoon. Fact of the matter is, we're being robbed by our own government here. They set limits in such a way as to make the most money, not save the most lives. Ask the next cop that stops you for speeding on the highway (highway) "Why are you all set up here anyway?" They'll say "Just trying to save lives" or something like that (its what they're trained to say). Think about that, if they're set up in the grass on Intertate whatever on Monday, picking people off for the flow of traffic, why arent they there on Tuesday if Interstate whatever is so dangerous? Simple, they've already made plenty of money there.

There isnt anything reckless about operating your vehicle at speeds its capable of handling on roadways designed to be driven on at those speeds. When I'm on an open highway road trip in my Lexus and traffic is light, I'll set the cruise between 85 and 90 and just pass people. Whats interesting is there are usually few people to pass, everyone else is driving at around the same speed.

Now, there is nothing dangerous about me operating my Lexus at 85-90 (not the Explorer, it really isnt designed to do over 75...as all of you know it gets skittish) which was designed to operate at speeds in excess of 150MPH, on a roadway that was designed for around 100MPH, when I have been trained to drive at speeds up to 200MPH on race tracks, and have 40 some odd years driving experience. However, it would be incredibly reckless to drive the Explorer at those speeds, and it would be reckless to drive anything that fast when that isnt the flow of traffic.

There are a lot of variables to take into account when deciding how fast you want to drive on the highway. Flow of traffic on the particular roadway, what you drive, your training, and your experience. Rule of thumb is, if you are uncomfortable of you feel you are making anyone else on the road uncomfortable (passing too fast, tailgating, etc) then you're driving too fast.
 




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talk about a crock o' SH*T

I got pulled over in a friend of mines mustang gt last week for doing 85 in a 45, I now this sounds horrible, but let me explain, the road is a 2 and a half mile stretch linking I-25 to Highway 350 just outside the city limits. It comes over a bridge and then has a 2 mile straightaway, that makes a mild turn spanned over almost a half mile, there was no traffic, and it was late at night. Well no traffic except Officer Do Good, so he runs our info, gives a big ol heap of crap about having beer in the car, (all unopend, and both of us being of legal age) then decides to let us go due to the fact that we were complient and good mannered and admitted that we were wrong! He shook my hand and said to take it a little slower. So off we go and Marshall drives like a good little boy. Then yesterday I was going back to work after lunch in my moms J**P cruising along behind a brand new Z28 about 50 give or take a few, all of a sudden the Z flies off to the shoulder and stops, I went around him and bang there is a State Rod, he hits his lights and turns around right behind me, so rutinely I pulled over to the side, didn't have my license on me but had the insurance and registration he comes up and just lays into me about us damn kids these days no respect for the law driving our damn gas hog SUVs thinking we are just untouchable, while we are actually killing ourselves, he actually said that he almost let me go, due to the fact that I was killing myself because it is people like me that ruin the ozone and cause global warming, then he got really upset that I didn't have my DL, but I know the number so I gave it to him, he ran it and everything was fine, then he decides that he is going to give me a ticket because of my attitude(which was in no way wrong or rude) I asked why and what he meant because of my attitude. He said that he clocked me speeding and in his book that is illegal, I asked how fast he clocked me at and he responded, get this 47!!! Forty freegin seven 2 miles over the damn limit. I almost flipped, he then goes back to my evil SUV, and I politely told him, you should see my truck, this is my moms. I said it is lifted 4 inches and has almost all the exhaust cut off, it is big it is loud and it is bad!!! Well that really pissed him off, he asked me to please step out of the car, I asked why and he replied I was interfering with police proceedings, that he had a good mind to arrest me, i got really upset and told him he had no right to arrest me that I had done nothing wrong, then he says oh ok so now we are resisting arrest huh. I just laughed and shook my head, then he had me set in the patrol car while he radioed for back up, well that actually backfired, the cop that pulled me over last time came in for back up, he asked what the problem was and I actually got to tell him my story, and then the other officer his. Well then cop from before took me back to his car, and said look this guy is new, he is trying to build a rep for himself, and he is a big time Tree Hugger, he hates suvs, and anything that is not low emissions, he disagrees with 4x4, and says that all this stuff is killing his kids. Then he apologized to me for making me late to work and said I was free to go and not getting a ticket. Well today I got a call from the CSP Tinidad division captain, he wanted to know if I could go up to headquarters he needed to talk to me, well I guess there were like 10 complaints of harrasment against old officer clean freak, and they started researching it, they found out that all of them were from people owning SUVs and that the officer was probably going to be put on probation or the like. Just goes to show the ignorance of some people and how being complient helps more than anything in the world, cops are people just like us they like to be treated with respect and like humans.
 




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That unfortunately happens to all of us at one point or another Marshall. You handled it fine, and nothing more could have been expected of you. Something similar happened to me a few months ago.

I was on a road almost just like that except the limit is 35, its a two lane two way road that splits into 4 lanes going across this bridge, traffic flows at about 50. Well, I was on the phone with a customer and I pulled out to pass this cable TV truck (I hate being behind things I cant see around) and there was of course a speed sting up ahead. My car was in the shop so I was in a loaner, I had left my V1 in my car, and I was holding the phone because mt handsfree kit was in my car also. Well, of course theres a speed sting up ahead, and the guy flags me over (he got me fair and square, gotta give him that) so, he walks up to the window as I am getting off the phone and I rolled it down and said "Whats the problem officer" well he says of course "Do you know how fast you were going?" so I said (truthfully) "honsestly officer, no I dont" and he says "56MPH" Sounded reasonable seeing that I was passing that truck so I said "I had no idea I was going that fast, I certainly apologize" then he says "well, not surprising seeing that you were yaking on that phone, license and registration please" so, I shrugged that off and said "Now, this is a rented car so I'll be giving you the rental agreement instead of the registration, and I have to get that out of my breifcase here on the passenger seat" he said that was okay so I did, he writes me up and walks back to the car, then he starts.

As it turns out, he was a real anti-cell phone advocate. He started telling me how ignorant people like me are, driving and talking, not paying attention, how we should be taken off the roads etc, his tone was very patronizing. So I very plainly said to him

"Look, I was speeding and you got me, you have my ticket there and I deserve it, but, dont stand there and lecture to me like a child about something I was doing that isnt illegal. Its the nature of my business that I must use my cell while I'm driving, I've been doing it for 13 years and I havent killed anyone yet. Now, I appreciate your words but until the time comes that talking on a cell phone and driving is illegal, save them because they dont interest me. Now I'm a busy man so give me my god damn ticket so I can be on my way"

He gives me my ticket and says "You think you're a big man dont you? All important..." so I said "No, I'm simply asking that our business here be handled professionally and quickly and you seem to have a problem with that, I'm a grown man and I dont need anyone, cop or otherwise, to tell me what to do inside of the law. If I were doing something unlawful, then it would be a different matter entirely, now you have a pleasant day, and hopefully you'll find someone interested in being patronized with your views" and I tore off.

Probably not the best way to handle it, so dont follow my example, but cops piss me off sometimes.
 




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The two times I've been pulled over I tried to handle myself very professionally and courteously. One ticket was for speeding (82 in a 70) which I took defensive driving for. The other was for running a stop sign which I didn't run. Long story short, the cop couldn't see the intersection well from his vantage point due to obstructions such as other signs, trees, etc. I plead not guilty and prepared for a bench trial. I took many pictures of the intersection from my vantage point, the officer's POV, and of the intersection as a whole. 11 months later (after I submitted a Brady motion for evidence and caused many legal headaches for the prosecutor and the officer), the cop conceded in court just before the trial was supposed to begin. The fact is, he knew he couldn't refute my evidence and that I would win anyway ;)

Sorry, just had to tell my tale how I fought the law and I won!
 




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i agree with you about the raising the speed limit thing. it makes sense they only want to be able to give out speeding tickets. depending on how heavy the traffic is and if it is daylight i see no problem with traveling at 80 mph.
 




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Well....it's 7:30am and I'm not about to read all them long posts....as for reckless...70 in a 55 isn't 70 in a school zone is a different story. All in all.....moderate you speed wisely.
Now, off to Minnesota to get my V-8!
Pete
 




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Stephen

While I kinda have to agree that wasn't the best way to handle it, I must admit it made me laugh, It is crazy how sometimes a badge can make a person into an almighty power symbol, that can lecture you on their point of view and expect you to take just because they are better than you. (Don't they wish) I have to cover my A** here and say that I now a few cops that are not like that and great fair people, so I am not trying to beat down on all law officers just the ones that are so high and mighty!!!!!!!!!
 


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Marshall, I'm not one that is easily intimidated by people as you can probably tell.

There is a little bar over by my office that we go to after work all the time, and its a big PG county cop hangout, and over the years I've gotten to know a lot of them. As a matter of fact they know my car and I get flashed hello at every so often when I'm driving in PG county. Let me say that MOST cops are GREAT people, very fair and just, good family people trying to make a difference. I have the utmost respect for good cops. Cops that abuse their position in any way however, even just to preach to people are dirt to me.
 




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