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My Baer (Alcon) brake install.

Before I say anything else let me say whoa they stop on a dime and bill me $5 for lost rubber from the tires. They really give the abs a workout on dry pavement.

Lets start with some pics

Here they are before powdercoating
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After
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During a test fit
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The rotors from r1 concepts were not properly drilled out in the center hub like I specified so I had to pull out the dremel to remove the .03 of an inch to make them fit on the hub. Here is a cool pic from the grinding.
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Bracket on
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and some wheel clearance shots
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I will post more pics after I clean up the very dirty wheels. Next post will have details of the parts used.
 


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Ok so I paid $450 for the used calipers and brackets, here are links for similar parts new.

As far as I can tell this is the same caliper, just made for Rousch $867
http://www.jcwhitney.com/alcon-front-calipers/p2016270.jcwx

Brackets
This bracket should be the same dimensions as what I have. 2 x $95
http://www.streetwiseparts.com/osco...d=707&osCsid=72df9bfd467c3b059985f13b47a28501

Rotors
They are for a 94 vette with "heavy duty" suspension they are 13" rotors. These are what I used but any heavy duty 94 vette rotors will work. $265 for the pair drilled to 5x4.5 to my door.
http://www.r1concepts.com/chevrolet-corvette-1994-hvyduty-PS.62046.htm

On to the pads
Hawk hps hb105 1 set at $135.27
http://www.amazon.com/Hawk-Performa...H46C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304039596&sr=8-1

Braided stainless brake lines, competition grade. Who cares about DOT. 2 x 19.97 each
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CPJIF6

Banjo bolt adapters 2 x $7.23
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CPJI88

Some fancy german brake fluid 1 x $16.05
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VXRPL0

ended up wasting a lot of it fighting the passenger side, so to the amsoil man for 3 pints of amsoil dot 4 600 brake fluid ~$35 for 3 pints. Still have 2.5 pints left that will get used later when I put speed bleeders in the back calipers
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/bf4.aspx

Then 4 speed bleeders ~$20
New banjo bolt to replace broken one ~$8
$20 at the machine shop to chase some threads for the bleeder screws.

And I think that is about it as far as parts and expenses go.

Grand total $1003 and some change, not to bad.

If I had to buy new ~$1800
 




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Now a couple of notes for myself about the install, there is a thick ~ 1/8" washer that goes between the caliper bracket and knuckles to make the caliper line up with the rotor. My guess is that some one did this in the past to avoid buying the stupid expensive saleen rotors ($1050 for a pair).

That is all I can think of right now.
 




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Thats sexy. Better get some 4pt harnesses to keep from flying through the windshield.
 




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Sexy stuff right there, props to Jon on the powder. Good job on the install too, I bet its such an improvement. I need to figure out if I have something wrong with my brakes, or if explorers just stop horridly bad. Only if I had the spare cash sitting around...
 
























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I raised concerns about the metal used in these calipers so Eric googled it. It was kind of funny when he said "Space age aluminum"
 




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Out of curiousity what is the part # for those calipers? in other words do you know where a guy can find the same ones today?

Thanks

The part number for mine is CAR7350P63ASRT, and ASLT (one right one left) if you call alcon they could probably make that exact caliper for you, or you could use these.

http://www.stage3motorsports.com/c=...-Caliper---Out-Of-Stock---CAR7350H61SSLT.html

or from this site if the site above isn't getting anymore.

http://cbfracing.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=323370


I found the rousch caliper by chance when searching for the material that the calipers were made of to keep Jon happy. The site I found them on was JC Whitney at $867, but while searching for info for you now I found them a lot cheaper. From what I just read rousch ordered way to many of the caliper in question so they are going really cheap. The body is the same size, and it uses the same pads, the pistons may be smaller though. It shouldn't be a problem though as mine locks up the front brakes easily, so I'm going to have to do something to lessen the pad pressure anyway. Let me know if I can be of any more help.
 












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Excellent Eric, you did a great job of putting that all together. The calipers look great, Jon does wonderful work powder coating.

Hopefully with both of us with too much brake power, we can find a solution. I looked a little for a different master cylinder, that has a different bore size. I didn't have much luck that one time. That would be the best solution if there is one with just the right size bore to reduce brake pressure a little.

:chug:
 




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Very nice and good info!
 




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Excellent Eric, you did a great job of putting that all together. The calipers look great, Jon does wonderful work powder coating.

Hopefully with both of us with too much brake power, we can find a solution. I looked a little for a different master cylinder, that has a different bore size. I didn't have much luck that one time. That would be the best solution if there is one with just the right size bore to reduce brake pressure a little.

:chug:
I think a proportioning valve is the real solution, but I don't really want to dig into that rats nest of brake line at the master cylinder.
 




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Ditto, that's why I began by looking for a different MC. That would be an easy swap, other than bleeding the ABS etc. Before going too far I wanted to see about doing the rear brakes first.
 




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