My quest for 30 MPG - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage Tips

[aldive]

Just because a product or process holds a US Patent(s) does not mean it ever reached the market.

 

[Dre]

Problem is that there are plenty devices that can save gas but none have made it into production cars.

Exactly like any other non-gasoline powered cars have never seen any real interest as well.

Or propane, natural gas, hydrogen, electric... Oil lobby is just way to powerful right now to let anything else slide-by.

On the devices - tests are too expensive - manufacturers don't really want to waste time and money for tests and it's just too much of a hassle. Potential savings? who cares when you buy gasoline for much less than anybody else out there - not anymore!

 

[Minivek]

Hi there, I don;t know if it works, but since up here in Quebec gas price are hovering around 5$/gal this fogerator thing has got me interested, anyone know where I might get pics/drawings etc for this? or has anyone here attempted to build one?

 

[spindlecone]

Hi there, I don;t know if it works, but since up here in Quebec gas price are hovering around 5$/gal this fogerator thing has got me interested, anyone know where I might get pics/drawings etc for this? or has anyone here attempted to build one?

Mini
Give it a couple weeks, I gaurantee a writeup on this site will be forthcoming

 

[Rhett]

Just because a product or process holds a US Patent(s) does not mean it ever reached the market.

Well, of course not. I did not say such a thing in my post.

 

[Skibum1989]

Are today's Fuel Injected engines really THAT bad at creating complete combustion? I don't believe that uneven combustion from stock engines is bad enough to merit an enourmous 15-20 MPG improvement with the fogerator.

So does the fogerator break gasoline molecules into smaller molecules? That dosent seem possible with a simple change in air pressure, It would make more sense if it made breaking up bonds BETWEEN gasoline molecules easier, but not WITHIN them.

 

[old mechanic]

I average around 467 miles / tank.....
Stock truck.
The only thing I did was run Castrol Syntec 5w 30 synthetic.
Bosch dual platinum plugs.
Michilin LTX 235 75r15s at 35psig.
That's it.....
Cruise control and a/c all the way.

That is the best mileage I have heard of in a first gen EX.

Your tank holds 19.3 gallons. I will assume you didn't run out of gas so you had 1 gallon left in your EX so you used 18.3 gallons to go 467 miles.

So 467 miles divided by 18.3 gallons = 25.5 MPG!!!
I think you have set a record for a first gen EX!

Great truck!

BTW: Is that a 4 door or 2 door? 2 WD or 4x4?

 

[trucku]

Fogerator

Interesting read on a device to vastly improve gas mileage.

http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/fogerator.htm

Your thoughts ...........

It was an interesting read. The inventor described the brass tube configuration and its low pressure draw that turns the gas and air intake into a fog. The problem I had was since the fuel inlet is metered to the total size of all of the holes in the copper tube "fog chamber", what happens when the fuels demand..or should I say fog demand is greater than the flow of air and fuel into it? I have already viewed the outer chamber eventually filling with fuel and not maintaining a recirculated fog as the fuel level in it rises when demand is very low. I don't think a set margine can be maintained. As the fuel demand changes so does the intake or creation of "fog". So basically if your Fogerator is working nice at idle then what happens at WOT?all this was taking the described size into consideration. Also with the return to the main fuel tank now being mixed with air and no longer a fog will change thank pressure I think. If it does increase pressure then will the tank vent without a problem quiclkly enough?
I think the Fogerator can come into play with a bypass at idle and low demand speeds where regular tank feed is in play and once constant or highway speeds are achieved the Device will be able to then produce the Fog. I think the size description of the device must have been purposely altered to make it harder to copy. I believe to achieve the flow needed and readily availablity of the "Fog" the device is gonna be as at least big as a gallon paint can. Thats just the outer and inner coper chambers with the extra fuel pump
seperate. The volume needed seems to great to be supplied by such a small unit.

Would love to try this but don't want to blow up. Would love to test similiar non "Kill Me" fluid on home built Fogerator.

Just thoughts.. I don't know anything about gas, fluid,heat and pressure dynamics..I have been trying to get a diagram of this device, but can't find anything. Had to resort to drawing it from inventors description. I searched for the patent drawings but didn't find it.

 

[riverst]

What size gas tank do I have?
-1996 2 door explorer (XL) 4.0 OHV

 

[jayhawkexplorer]

What size gas tank do I have?
-1996 2 door explorer (XL) 4.0 OHV

16.

 

[Minivek]

Like Trucku said, without further research its hard to say if the fog will continue to be generated at higher flow rates. I know combustion processes depend on fuel mass flow (mass of fuel/qte of air) however with the addition of a good pump it may be acheivable. Also, I was wondering if once the fog passes through the injectors, the pressure induced by the injectors turn the fog into a spray once more? About pressure increases in the tank due to the returning unused fog, I don't think it should be an issue since the higher pressure in the tank and fuel system should make the fog ( supposedly at atmospheric pressure) revert to a more liquid ie. compact form. These are just thoughts. I'm going back to classes next week and will ask my combustion processes teacher what sense he make of this, Meanwhile I'll be trying to draw it out and fabricate it. We'll see how it goes.

 

[Minivek]

Also, I suggest that those of us who sketch the fogerator out should scan and post their drawings here, that way we might be able to make better assesments. I was thinking of rigging something up for my lawnmower and see how it does....

 

[trucku]

Fogerator

Also, I suggest that those of us who sketch the fogerator out should scan and post their drawings here, that way we might be able to make better assesments. I was thinking of rigging something up for my lawnmower and see how it does....

Good Idea. I will scan mine tonight..wait..can't post not Elite. Minivek I can email it to you so you can post if you want?

 

[Minivek]

oops, didn´t we couldn't post if we were'nt elite (I'm still a wannabee), maybe we could ask Spindlecone ? I'll have my scan ready for tommorow.

 

[85Dave]

Fogerator, smogerator. Thermodynamics, my friends. Review your thermo. No way you will double your fuel mileage with a fogerator.

 

[Minivek]

I'm not 100% sure of what I'm advancing here, but I do believe any device allowing liquid fuel to be turned into a fog rather than a more liquid spray, should improve combustion. Hence the reason why injected engine are more efficient than carburated engines. I also think of it this way; if you drop a drop of water (sorry no better words came to me) on a really hot frying pan, the drop of water will sizzle into evaporation until it completly disapears, whereas if you manage to direct a water fog (or spay) towards the pan, it evaporates completly before ever touching the pan. Thus finer elements (spray or fog) require less energy (heat) in order to change their state of matter (solids to liquids, liquids to gas). Just my theories...

 

[Minivek]

As for doubling mileage I agree, "if it sounds too good to be true it probably is" but getting a fews more mpg's me thinks its possible I could also be up sh*t creek without a paddle...

 

[Minivek]

interesting article

Sorry for hogging the post, since it's quiet right now... Here's something the pretty much explains on a diesel engine, what I've been saying.

http://www.dantecdynamics.com/applications/Sprays/pda_voltage/Index.html

 

[trucku]

Minivek,

Interesting read. Now can that be applied to Gasoline? I am wondering how the voltage was applied? So maybe a voltage applied to the inlet of gasoline to the low pressure side of the brass tube will aid it the distribution of fuel into the air?... The only difference is that it wont be shot into chamber with injector..maybe if pressure can be significantly lower than outside of the Fog tube a similiar effect can be achieved as with pressurized injection.

Gonna see if i can make up a fogerator model. Gonna start with pvc first. and try it with something less flammable than fuel. but I need to maintain some kind of comparable properties to Gas.

 

[Glacier991]

"Thus finer elements (spray or fog) require less energy (heat) in order to change their state of matter (solids to liquids, liquids to gas). "

I respectfully disagree. A given quantity of a liquid will require the same amount of energy to convert it's state from one phase state to another (liquid to gaseous), regardless of droplet size. The fog does it faster because more surface area in the frying pan is used. Actual heat energy (latent heat of vaporization to be exact) used is the same. NOW, Whether this affects the point you are making is another matter. Just for clarification. (damn AC background)

(ok ok I admit, a part of me just had to be part of AL's thread here, the biggest on the board... geezes... 34,000 hits!) But what I said is true.

I went back and visited that link. WHAT A PILE OF HORSESHJT. Totally phony baloney. The write up reminded me of some phony scam letter I recently saw from someone claiming to be an African prince and needing someone to launder some money for him. I laughed out loud. They managed to use every big word they could think of, even if they didn;t fit what they were describing. TOTAL BS my friends.

Now that said, the notion that better atomization might result in more complete combustion or lower emissions I do not so easily discard. Guassian field my sweet a$$.