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Another school shooting...this time in San Diego. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of those killed.
Two Killed, 13 Wounded In School Shooting Near San Diego
Monday, March 5, 2001
FOXNews.com

A male student has been taken into custody, according to the San Diego County sheriff's department.

While authorities would not confirm the identity of the suspect, student eyewitnesses at Santana High School in Santee, Calif., told Fox News the gunman was a male freshman student.

Authorities confirmed that one victim died on the scene. A hospital spokeswoman said a 15-year-old male student was the second fatality. The remaining victims were reportedly in stable condition, KGTV said. Two of the victims may be adult staff members.

A sheriff's deputy who was reported wounded was injured during an unrelated incident, officials said.

Santana student John Schardt, 17, told KFMB that he heard shots ring out at about 9:20 a.m. while he was in a nearby classroom, and that he took video footage of the shooter. The police confiscated Schardt's tape.

"I looked at the kid, and he was smiling and shooting his weapon," said Schardt. "Everyone was running away ... I saw one student go down. He was lying in the middle of the quad."

The gunman, upon emptying his long-barreled pistol, went into the men's bathroom to reload and came back out firing, according to Schardt.

Schardt did not know the gunman's name, but had seen him in school previously.

Andrew Kaforey, a 17-year-old Santana senior, said he ran into the bathroom with a security guard after hearing what sounded like a firecracker or a gunshot.

"He pointed the gun right at me but he didn't shoot," Kaforey said. As he and the guard ran out, the gunman shot the guard in the back, Kaforey said.

Kaforey's 14-year-old brother, Jacob, said a boy they believe was the gunman had talked earlier about how he owned a gun, although other students hadn't seen the weapon. The boy also had talked about stealing a car and going to Mexico, Jacob said.

Chris Reynolds, an adult who knows the alleged shooter, said the boy had been talking last week about shooting people, but assured his friends and Reynolds that he wasn't serious.

"Everybody can't believe that he actually did it," Reynolds told KGTV. "He said he was just joking."

"I do regret that I didn't do something because I should've stepped up even if it wasn't true and stuff to take that precaution," Reynolds said. "If someone did die over there and stuff that's going to be haunting me for a long time, that's going to be with me for a long time. It just hurts because I could've maybe done something about it."

Reynolds described the shooter as the type of boy who was picked on at school, and said one of the boy's friends even checked the shooter's knapsack Monday morning to make sure it did not contain a weapon.

George Oriotis, owner of the Round Table Pizza restaurant across the street from the school, reported that students were being directed to his restaurant to await pickup by their parents.

Student Rachelle Ackerman told reporters that about three minutes before the bell was scheduled to ring, she heard the gunfire. "I ran into the office. I started yelling, 'Gun! Call 911! Someone's been shot."'

About an hour after the shooting a SWAT team was conducting a sweep of the shooting, and a bomb unit was preparing to do the same "as a precaution," Reina said.

"It sounded like fireworks, or a popgun ... then you just heard people yell 'run' and I started running," said Pam Hanson, 16, a junior.

Student Alicia Zimmer saw a boy lying face down on the floor, a girl with blood on her arm and another with blood on her hands, she told KGTV.

She said she heard shots but didn't see a shooter. "They sounded more like a capgun," she said of the noise.

"I dropped my stuff; it's still there right in the middle of the hall. It was really scary," she said.

Several students cried as they left the school.

"I just heard the shots and students were running and running. I thought it was a joke or something," said Ruben Martinez, senior, 18.

Martinez's mother came to get him in the parking lot, leaving her job at an electronics plant in nearby Sorrento Valley, where a co-worker had heard about it on radio.

"I just had to leave right away and see if he was OK," Sylvia Martinez said.

Santana High School opened its doors to students for the first time on Sept. 20, 1965. It serves more that 1,900 students in grades nine through twelve.

— The Associated Press contributed to this report
 



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Maybe after enough of this school shooting crap, some kids will think twice about picking on others. It's a shame that they think they have to go and kill anyone that's near them. I guess some people just don't know what else to do??? :(
 






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Originally posted by rustytr
Maybe after enough of this school shooting crap, some kids will think twice about picking on others. It's a shame that they think they have to go and kill anyone that's near them. I guess some people just don't know what else to do??? :(

That and maybe parents will start participating in their kids lifes. Like going out to diner once in a while, or just making time to have a hobby together! I mean my god what the hell is wrong with todays parents when they don't even know their own kids are capable of doing this!? Heck if a parent just asked how things were going and the kid said he was getting picked on, I am SURE that the parent could help them through those times. Hell I was one of those nerdy kids that was picked on my whole life at school. In all reality I can understand where some of these kids come from but at the same time its your parents or even someone older then you who has been there that calms the nerves talks you through crap ect...

Agh...
 






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yup i was one of those kids too, kinda. i was on the football team and all that but all the guys hated me since i was so good with the ladies. fought half the team at one point or another. my parents sucked and still do as they kicked me out of the house last week. but i have a couple that are neighbors that kinda adopted me. they love me like a son.. i love them too. they are my real family. without them i dont know i may have ended up being one of those kids. they are a wonderful couple. i love them a lot!!!
 






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Originally posted by rpenner54


Heck if a parent just asked how things were going and the kid said he was getting picked on, I am SURE that the parent could help them through those times.

A year ago on of my friends's younger brother committed suicide. One day he said he wasnt gonna be at school the next day and nobody really cared or thought much of it till the next day he was dead. Now the parents are trying to sue the principal because tehy claim that she knew he was going to kill himself and didnt tell them. I'm sorry, but thats a bunch a sh*t. If the parents would have been parents and known what was going on in the kids life it wouldnt have happened. Now a year later they're still trying to sue and going to court. This really makes me sick, because his brother and sister are two of my best friends. Where were the parents at?
 






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what gets me is when they interviewed a kid after the shooting he admitted to knowing the PARENTS of the shooter had a couple guns in the house. then the interviewer interigated the kid about why he didn't tell anybody he knew about the guns. you could see in the kids face how bad he felt b/c the interviewer just made him feel like it was totally his fault and the rest of the nation heard his answers. how stupid is that? really, why would anybody do that to the kid? he didn't do anything. if so, me and ALL of my friends would be guilty of the same crime. i can almost guarentee that 99% of everybody on this board has a gun in their house and knows somebody else who has one as well. i'm not going to tell on somebody just b/c i know he has a gun. this country really has some problems.
 






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Alot of what is said here rings so true...

Almost everyone in school was picked on or the target of jokes - Lord knows I had my share directed at me. Parents need to be involved with their kids lives - absolutley. I hope and pray my twins will always feel they can talk to me. What gets me just as much as the reporter grilling the kid about the guns (what's the difference if there were guns in the house - that doesn't make anyone a murderer) is there were a handful of kids that knew about this over the weekend. Apparently the shooter told some friends he was going to do this - no one believed him! Kids need to be told that comments like that need to be passed on to an adult - and fast! Once confronted, the kid would say it's a joke - and probably would never go through with it. I'd much rather take the time to ask about someone's sense of humor than to read headlines like this.

Which brings up another couple of topics... This will obviously bring the Right to Bear Arms into question, as well as the safety of public schools... gonna be interesting the next few days or so

Jon
 






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I hate that guns get a bad rap when all this happens! Everyone seems to agree that the parents need to be more involved. Being a recent H.S. graduate, I know what it's like and how kids can be so mean. Maybe they should blame it on the "cool" kids that find some kind of humor in making someone else feel like crap. I think maybe it's time to put prayer back in School?
 






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a few minutes after i heard about this, my mother in law, who is a teacher at our old high school, called my wife and told her that there have been threatening notes left around the school. very frightening, eerie notes about how the school is going to be "the next columbine." i can't believe that this is happening in this day and age. i'm nearly terrified to bring kids into this world, now. my prayers go out to the families of the victims and yes, even to the alleged shooter and his family.
 






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what scares me a lot is that the shooter told a friends dad and the friends dad did nothing...thinking it was just a joke. parents today (SOME OF THEM) can be stupid and uncaring, too
 






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As quoted off of beaterz.com, "Blaming guns for Columbine is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'donnel being fat."
Again, "Where were the parents at?"
 






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Originally posted by 95ExplorerLtd


A year ago on of my friends's younger brother committed suicide. One day he said he wasnt gonna be at school the next day and nobody really cared or thought much of it till the next day he was dead. Now the parents are trying to sue the principal because tehy claim that she knew he was going to kill himself and didnt tell them. I'm sorry, but thats a bunch a sh*t. If the parents would have been parents and known what was going on in the kids life it wouldnt have happened. Now a year later they're still trying to sue and going to court. This really makes me sick, because his brother and sister are two of my best friends. Where were the parents at?

I agree & disagree. The nature of a teenager doesn't allow for parent to always know when a kid is being honest about feelings or not. I was a horrid teenager. I skipped school did drugs, ran away from home. Yes, my mom should have figured it out, but as I remember...the day before I ran away, I had a talk with my mom and we worked out a bunch of stuff. I told her I loved her and she said loved me and we would get through the hard times together. (My dad had passed on) The next morning I woke up, said **** it, and took off w/ a friend. I stayed gone for a week, until another friend found us. There was NO possible way for her to know I was gonna do that. I mean, I just was so sweet and loving the night before...how COULD she have known? I think if the principle knew he was threatening suicide, she should have told. She has a moral obligation to the students she oversees. It is really hard being a parent these days. Especially when you are doing it alone. Believe me, I know

Just my .02! :)
 






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Originally posted by 95ExplorerLtd


A year ago on of my friends's younger brother committed suicide. One day he said he wasnt gonna be at school the next day and nobody really cared or thought much of it till the next day he was dead. Now the parents are trying to sue the principal because tehy claim that she knew he was going to kill himself and didnt tell them. I'm sorry, but thats a bunch a sh*t. If the parents would have been parents and known what was going on in the kids life it wouldnt have happened. Now a year later they're still trying to sue and going to court. This really makes me sick, because his brother and sister are two of my best friends. Where were the parents at?
I just noticed this one... but I think it's funny how lots of times parents will find anyone else to blame but themselves. The prime PRIME example was a few months ago when a dad was letting his son jump off the roof onto a picnic table that was lit on fire while his friend videotaped, to imitate something he'd seen on WWF. The child suffered serious burns and several broken bones. Even though the dad allowed this to go on, he sued WWF for setting such a poor example.
Another one is MTV's show jackass, where someone lit himself on fire while dancing around just for the fun of it. You bet, some 13 year old tried it and suffered serious burns, he almost died. His parents sued MTV.
I think parents need to be involved but liek Michelle mentioned they can't know everything. I hid (and still hide) lots of stuff from my folks, its part of being a teenager. But, oh well... not much I can do about it. Just sue everyone and hope that the money makes up for hte loss of the son (prime example is isaiah sholes [isaiah being the black student killed at columbine], who are suing EVERYONE from the principal, teachers, other students, the cops, the swat teams, the bomb squads, the sharpshooters, the school district, basically everyone. For $250 million! But it wasn't about the money, LOL)
 






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Yes, the parents (or mostly the mother) were just looking for someone to blame, and I feel strongly thats what the deal is. Now I think their mother is having a mental breakdown because she has been constantly argueing with her other 2 children and her husband, and now is sending her daughter off and saying that it was all her husband and other childrens fault that he killed himself, so I think she's breaking down and looking to blame somebody, when she should have really known he was an unstable person who was always purposely hurting himself and getting into fights at home, and he had shot himself right after an arguement at their house. I can understand how they would want to blame someone who had nothing to do with it, but that still doesnt make it right. They needed to be parents. From what they tell me, the father is much better than the real father and he cares, but the mother doesnt. I, being a teenager, know of the problems teens have to face and how for alot of them suicide seems like a way out, but I can honestly say I have never even though of suicide no matter how bad a situation was. I have always thought of myself as a stable person, but my parents have always been here for me growing up. We need more caring parents in the world. And you're hearing this from teenager ;)
 






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I've stayed out of this until now, but I think I'll put in my 2 cents worth.

All the points made are valid ones. But not one is the complete answer. There is no one thing that causes these kids (or adults) to go on a rampage. It's the whole set of circumstances surrounding the individual. And then of course the individual him(her)self. Peers, family life, school, work, entertainment, availability of firearms, everything together. Let's face it, it's society and society is made up of all of us.

Blaming any one thing is idiotic and most people realize this. But human kind always had to have somebody to blame. Some on this board have expressed strong religious believes. Well, even way back at the beginning of mankind (as described in the bible) the devil, disguised as a snake, gets blamed for tempting Eve. And then she of course did the same to Adam. It's not their fault they got kicked out of paradise.

There will always be something to tempt an individual, a group, a nation or all of mankind and if something horrible happens, a lot of people are scurrying around trying to find the cause. And I have no doubt that they are very serious and conscientious about their quest. They also realize that whatever they identify as a catalyst is only a piece of the puzzle. Otherwise we would be able to eliminate occurances like these shootings (in schools, post offices, businesses, etc.).

I do believe we pretty well all agree that the one thing that should be done is to stop blaming everybody under the sun. We have had similar discussions before on this board and I'll repeat again what I've said before.

Everybody has to take responsibility of their own actions.

If our children grow up in a society that always puts the blame on somebody else, they have a build in excuse for all of their actions and it's never their own fault.
 






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Jackass is hilarious !
 






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