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Thats just retarded thinking,many new american cars ( Vette,Shelby,GTO,)
are capable of 12 and 11sec 1/4 mile stock with top speeds from 180 to well over 200mph stock . By your definition if three of those cars were parked side by side in a parking lot in an area with no race track they should be confiscated and crushed.
Glad you drive a Camry and live in California..


(even if you AREN'T street racing) with a vehicle that is modified beyond the point of being just "showy" (meaning nitro fuel injection or speeds above 120 mph), in a place where LEGAL racing isn't available
 


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Thats just retarded thinking,many new american cars ( Vette,Shelby,GTO,)
are capable of 12 and 11sec 1/4 mile stock with top speeds from 180 to well over 200mph stock . By your definition if three of those cars were parked side by side in a parking lot in an area with no race track they should be confiscated and crushed.
Glad you drive a Camry and live in California..

Most cars made today will do 120mph, even our big heavy suv's.
 




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That's exactly why I specified the nitro fuel injection! Modifications like that just are not necessary in a street car and, if you want to race that badly, there are LEGAL ways to do it without endangering other people's lives! Got it!? If you lose a close friend to illegal street racers, you look at it a lot differently! Whether it's a suped up truck (not necessarily an offroad vehicle) or a suped up car! I never paid any attention to street racing until I lost a close friend to it. She was driving on a residential street and was hit by an out of control street racer. He walked away but she didn't!

Oh! The cars you speak of come that way STOCK! There are no modifications to those. If you modify a street car it can only mean one thing... you intend to RACE it somewhere and, most likely, on the streets! If not, then you are racing it legally and it remains parked when you're not.
 




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That's exactly why I specified the nitro fuel injection! Modifications like that just are not necessary in a street car and, if you want to race that badly, there are LEGAL ways to do it without endangering other people's lives! Got it!? If you lose a close friend to illegal street racers, you look at it a lot differently! Whether it's a suped up truck (not necessarily an offroad vehicle) or a suped up car! I never paid any attention to street racing until I lost a close friend to it. She was driving on a residential street and was hit by an out of control street racer. He walked away but she didn't!

Are you talking about nitrous oxide? Nitro methane is a totally different fuel and I highly doubt anyone is running it in a street car. And just because nitrous is installed on a car doesn't mean they're street racers, most of the time the nitrous system is closed, and then only used at the track.
 




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I have been racing on a dragstrip since I was 17, I am 45, I have never particpated in any form of illegal drag racing yet I have driven many a highly modified car to work and car shows every day.
(examples www.hotrodlincoln.org and www.hotrodholden.org ) By your defintion I am a criminal. If I want to drive my highly modified 11 sec car everywhere I go thats my right as an American citizen as is carrying my handgun to blow away any idiot that tried to take that car from me. Doesnt mean I will be racing or shooting when I feel like it,only when it is correct, its called taking control of your own actions and not letting the goverment do it for you.
you reinforce everything I experienced when i lived in Cali..
If you modify a street car it can only mean one thing... you intend to RACE it somewhere and, most likely, on the streets! If not, then you are racing it legally and it remains parked when you're not.
 




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That's exactly why I specified the nitro fuel injection! Modifications like that just are not necessary in a street car... blah blah blah

First I believe you're talking about nitrous injection not nitro. Big difference. Why should a vehicle that has been modified forb legal racing and is also still able to drive on the road be subject to such draconian laws? Just because it's modified doesn't mean the owner would EVER use it for racing on the street. Why can't car be modified to the same level of performance as a new vette without the owner becoming a criminal?
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Are you talking about nitrous oxide? Nitro methane is a totally different fuel and I highly doubt anyone is running it in a street car. And just because nitrous is installed on a car doesn't mean they're street racers, most of the time the nitrous system is closed, and then only used at the track.

Yeah.... maybe in Kansas it is but we're not talking about Kansas, are we!? They've caught many street racers out here running nitrous ILLEGALLY! Why do you think they've made these laws? These guys don't want to PAY to race legally but they don't mind paying the fines for racing illegally! They put themselves and everyone around them in danger when they race down residential streets! Most of the time, it's the innocent bystanders who get caught in the middle of it!
 




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Why can't car be modified to the same level of performance as a new vette without the owner becoming a criminal?
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I guess cause only rich people are supposed to have fast cars..
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First I believe you're talking about nitrous injection not nitro. Big difference. Why should a vehicle that has been modified forb legal racing and is also still able to drive on the road be subject to such draconian laws? Just because it's modified doesn't mean the owner would EVER use it for racing on the street. Why can't car be modified to the same level of performance as a new vette without the owner becoming a criminal?
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Yes, you are right. I meant nitrous and, if a vehicle has that modification for LEGAL racing, then that is an exception. However, as I stated above, there have been MANY illegal street racers caught using "nitrous" fuel injection and that is what was used when my friend was killed. The kid had the modification and USED it on a residential street. Of course, his car was totalled and put out of use but... who knows how many others there are out there who use it and aren't caught??
 




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who knows how many others there are out there who use it and aren't caught??

wonder how many people have guns that may someday shoot someone, lets take them all away and solve that..
wonder how many people drink and get behind a wheel,lets outlaw booze and take care of that..
where do you draw the line?

How many people have the knowledge and ability to kill you with their bare hands?
Should we make all martial arts illegal then?
Where do you stop?

It Cali mentality that you can use laws to control human behavior that is so stupid.
You cant ever control human behavior, you can only make the punsihment so severe
that it deters people and yet Cali is very soft on punsihment.
Come to Texas, you kill, you will be killed,simple.
 




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I guess cause only rich people are supposed to have fast cars..
:rolleyes:

With $10,000 plus (and the cost of the car to begin with) worth of modifications in a street car, you're telling me they couldn't put that money in to buying a STOCK model car? That just doesn't make sense at all! :rolleyes:
 




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While I love you guys to pieces, there are points I agree with and points I disagree with here. Any vehicle that is suped up beyond the point of necessity WITHOUT having confirmation of a LEGAL racing record, is, IMHO, modified strictly for street racing. If you have nitrous capabilities, you BEST be able to prove you use it at a LEGAL racing venue (I have friends who do this and I KNOW they keep their records with them at all times when driving their cars on the streets)! Otherwise, you don't NEED it!

Yes, I drive a Camry and it IS capable of going over 120 mph but I have NEVER done it nor would I EVER do it on a residential street (and it came that way STOCK)!
 




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With $10,000 plus (and the cost of the car to begin with) worth of modifications in a street car, you're telling me they couldn't put that money in to buying a STOCK model car? That just doesn't make sense at all! :rolleyes:

Again who are you or the Cali goverment to tell anyone where they should spend their money. This is America, LAND OF THE FREE .
Im sorry your friend got killed by an idiot but they could have been killed by a drunk, a road rager , a normal speeder , etc. The car had nothing to do with the crash just the moron driving. He could have just as well been some rich kid with a STOCK new Vette that killed them because he was speeding, then what? ban all fast cars? What if it was a soccer mom in a 7000lb Excursion at only 70mph? they would still be dead.. Then what? Ban SUVs that go faster than 50 or weigh more than 5000lbs?

Its a very thin line between keeping the law and oppressing the public and
its one we never want to cross
 




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wonder how many people have guns that may someday shoot someone, lets take them all away and solve that..
wonder how many people drink and get behind a wheel,lets outlaw booze and take care of that..
where do you draw the line?

How many people have the knowledge and ability to kill you with their bare hands?
Should we make all martial arts illegal then?
Where do you stop?

It Cali mentality that you can use laws to control human behavior that is so stupid.
You cant ever control human behavior, you can only make the punsihment so severe
that it deters people and yet Cali is very soft on punsihment.
Come to Texas, you kill, you will be killed,simple.

I don't own a gun and I don't drink so I am all for a lot more strict regulations on either one of those.

As for martial arts, I won't comment. I almost DID kill someone with my bare hands. Just so you know. There has to be a certain amount of restraint before you go that far. I won't ever get that close again unless my life or the life of my family is threatened (which, at the time, I thought my life was in danger).
 




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With $10,000 plus (and the cost of the car to begin with) worth of modifications in a street car, you're telling me they couldn't put that money in to buying a STOCK model car? That just doesn't make sense at all! :rolleyes:

not everyone like to have a "stock" car, a lot of people, me included like modifying our cars to be different, built to suit our taste and driving style. With my modified mountaineer I can beat mustangs and camaro's at the race track and still haul around 5 people comfortably, or carry a bunch of stuff in the back, and even pull a trailer none of which I could do in a sports car. It's the best of both worlds to me.
 




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I don't own a gun and I don't drink so I am all for a lot more strict regulations on either one of those.

As for martial arts, I won't comment. I almost DID kill someone with my bare hands. Just so you know. There has to be a certain amount of restraint before you go that far. I won't ever get that close again unless my life or the life of my family is threatened (which, at the time, I thought my life was in danger).

I kinda guessed your views on those, usually people that look down on modified cars and boats also look down on booze and guns...

and as for the martial arts if they would regulate that as well you would not have had the knowledge to protect your family.. yet until the day you do need to protect them there
is no reason you should have that knowledge is there?
That is exactly my point.
 




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Again who are you or the Cali goverment to tell anyone where they should spend their money. This is America, LAND OF THE FREE .
Im sorry your friend got killed by an idiot but they could have been killed by a drunk, a road rager , a normal speeder , etc. The car had nothing to do with the crash just the moron driving. He could have just as well been some rich kid with a STOCK new Vette that killed them because he was speeding, then what? ban all fast cars? What if it was a soccer mom in a 7000lb Excursion at only 70mph? they would still be dead.. Then what? Ban SUVs that go faster than 50 or weigh more than 5000lbs?

Its a very thin line between keeping the law and oppressing the public and
its one we never want to cross

Funny you should say that! Rick is griping about Arizona laws (and it being a "Republican" state) but here in California, it's been a Democrat state for quite a while. We had a much better time of it when Reagan was governor and we had a Republican state.

By the way, it WAS a rich kid who had suped up his car and made all those wonderful modifications, just like the rest of the street racers. He also had a Corvette and other vehicles at home that he didn't use to street race. They were just for show. Imagine what his parents would have said if he wrapped one of those around a telephone pole!
 


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pretty much all anti car legislation has its roots somewhere in California.
The car enthusiast world would be a better place if it got swallowed by the ocean.
If you read up on similiar legislation in other states it is usually proposed by someone
who lived in Cali previously or they are using Cali as an example.
Truly the closest thing we have to a socialist state.
Funny that the governor is Austrian..

This is the funniest shit I've ever read.
 




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