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This is a thread for people who HAVE seen the movie. It will spoil it if you have not seen it. DO NOT GO BELOW IF YOU DONT WANT THE MOVIE SPOILED! IM SERIOUS






































Im serious, Im about to go off and ask huge important plot question that are central to the movie. DO NOT look below if you have not seen it yet. DONT! You will thank me later if you go see it. Just dont, it will ruin it. I think you know by now its a bad idea... so dont














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Firstly, I loved all the refernences to programming, that was so my thing. The doors theme was awsome.
Here are some of my thoughts.
Since we have obviously learned you cant trust what you see, I am wondering if the architect was just a computer program to panic neo. I am under the impression that he has to be. He must be inside the matrix, neo cant phsyically be in two places at once, so how can he be human. If the matrix has been around for hundreds of years, and gone through so many rewrites, it's got to be too old for a single human to have programmed. So I personally dont see the architect as real, and I dont see a way for the matrix to re-write itself.

Another thing. Is it a second matrix(the real world)? I dont really see how it could not be. Agt. Smith is a program, and he copies and enters the 'real world'. A program cant enter the real world in my eyes, that would be impossible. Not to mention that neo obviously cant do what he did to the sentnils.

So what do you guys think?
 






I haven't seen the movie and skipped your second post, but the radio news said it has taken in over $40 million dollars since Wednesday. It is now Friday 2:13pm PST. The money is going to be insane.

Brian
 






Originally posted by nweibley

Since we have obviously learned you can't trust what you see, I am wondering if the architect was just a computer program to panic neo. I am under the impression that he has to be. He must be inside the matrix, neo cant phsyically be in two places at once, so how can he be human.

The Architect is a program I believe, or is a human (in one of those pod things) that has been programmed to be identical over hundreds of years.


If the matrix has been around for hundreds of years, and gone through so many rewrites, it's got to be too old for a single human to have programmed.

Not really. The machines with their AI could have written it and then re-written it as needed.


So I personally don't see the architect as real, and I dont see a way for the matrix to re-write itself.

Again, the Architect is either a program within the Matrix or a programmed human inserted into the Matrix. I believe that it is a program since they wouldn't want to trust a human with that responsibility.

AI would give way to the machines being able to rewrite the Matrix.


Another thing. Is it a second matrix(the real world)? I dont really see how it could not be. Agt. Smith is a program, and he copies and enters the 'real world'. A program cant enter the real world in my eyes, that would be impossible. Not to mention that neo obviously cant do what he did to the sentnils.

I think that the real world IS real, otherwise the machines wouldn't give a damn what the humans do. Since the machines are hell bent on destroying Zion in order to repopulate it and start all over (so the Architect says), it leads me to believe that the real humans are needed to complete some weird kind of harddrive format and reinstallation.

Agt. Smith copies himself into that one dude and then enters the real world. I think that is entirely possible. When you are in the Matrix, your mind is part of the program. So by hijacking his program (brain), he takes over the dudes psychological functions while his body remains the same. This would be like brainwashing someone.

As for Neo doing what he did to the sentinals, I think that it could be possible. Humans do not use the majority of their brains, so maybe in some far region there is some telekenetic power he rediscovered. Look at the documented cases of 120lb women overturning cars to free their trapped babies. That should be impossible, but it has happened. No one really knows all the facets of the mind and what it is really capable of, so because of that I think that what Neo did is totally possible.


Overall, I think this installment was excellent. I enjoyed it very much, especially the references to people seeing ghosts, vampires, werewolves, etc. as old programs. I think they do an excellent job (like deja vu in the first one) of taking unexplainable things in the real world and relating them to programming terms.

The concept of the Matrix is not new however. Plato's theory of the Cave is pretty much what this movie is based on and THAT I find very cool because I enjoy philosophy. Being able to take a theory proposed before Christ and make it applicable and interesting to a wide variety of people means you are doing something right.

That said, I can't wait till the third installment!
 












i personally loved it. i think the whole zion thing was a little overdone and cheesy.. with the dancing and all, but i thought the story got even better. like i said in the other thread.. i think the reason some people didn't like it was because it was over their head. you have to be ready to think when you see this movie! i plan on going again to pick up on things that i missed.
i gotta say.. those twins were cool!
i agree that the architect is a program. it is very intersting though to think about the "one" being like a reformat tool or something and that there have been many.
i REALLY like the idea of there being a second matrix set as kind of a firewall or security measure and when it gets hacked or broken, the system redoes it to be better until the next time. i don't really think that is the case though. i have at times thought neo to be a program himself that humans are writing in order to crash the system. like neo is a virus.
the thing i really like about the movie is that it is so unpredictable that we have about as much of a chance of being right as if we said "i think neo is actually a cinder block and the movie is about building a house with bob villa." i can't wait for the next one. these writters have done an incredible job.
 






I'm thinking neo really is what he is supposed to be, the architect is really a program designed to make neo make the wrong choice. I think if he had chosen the other door rather than doing what he felt was right, he would have been somehow killed and the machines would win.
I'm not sure if the real world is a second matrix or not. My (Joking) theory is that the whole thing is a computer simulation written by some guy to determine what man creating AI would do, in a controlled enviroment. I say this is all just a fraction of a second and a few billon cpu cycles, and the whole thing was just a test run! How fawked up would that be?
Anyways, I think nobody really has any idea, because I got almost everything in the first movie right away, and I sure as hell didnt see all these twists coming.
Im very excited. They definatly did it right to get me to be even MORE excited about the 3rd.
Ohh yeah, and one more thing. Read breaking news on www.thematrix.com and see the hex code at the end. If you can solve how to get to it (hint: 01101111) there is a fun program to play with.
-----Nate
 






A funny thing that I caught...at one point during the car chase scene there was the sound of a police radio call "1-Adam-12" I laughed my ass off. You have to be at least 33 to get the reference. As far as the plot, I'm still confused as hell and have been trying to wrap my brain around it since I saw it.
 






Did anybody else notice that ALL vehicles in the car chase were GM's except for the semi's and Ducati's? It doesn't really bother me, cause most of them are destroyed, but still that's a lot of publicity that GM bought. Also kind of a bleak future if every car and truck is going to be GM, or maybe I just need to get some more sleep.
 






I noticed product placement was pretty prominent... I think they will find that people really disliked it and cut the crap... but we'll see.
 






I read that GM didn't pay for it BUT did agree to supply 26 custom modified vehicles for the scene. And they did Matrix/GM advertising.
 






I know I'll get flamed for this but,.....sorry...the movie flat out SUCKED!
Same effects, too much of the Kung Fu fighting and mono-toned, slow-talking dialogue.... wish I would have had my pillow. And what the hell was the whole cake/blonde thing? Was there a point to zooming in on her 'matrix' whoohaa? Oh, was there a movie plot?
Everyone i talked to after the movie said it was a severe letdown.

..........To Be Concluded........


:o ..I won't be there to see it.
 






Did you understand it? I really dont see how you thought it sucked... it was pretty twisted and phsyco.
I hope they finish it off really good with the 3rd and make everything fall into place... it may make the second seem alot better.
 






so what "door" did he go throught, i got lost on that.
 






I liked it, really played a game on my mind. The computer programming stuff is way over my head, but I was kind of following. I'll say that I thought the first was better, imo, but the second opened up more questions that it really answered to the first. My thing is that when neo had to make the choice, save Zion, or try to save Trinity, but she would die anyway. Being that he chose to save her, and actually did, did that create a type of loophole, or rewrite part of the Matrix. What I gather, the architect never planned on him actaully being able to reach her in time to save her, but he did. I could have missed a big part of what was going on becvause I don't know anything about programming, but I just think that since he saved Trinity, maybe that was enough to allow him to do yet another impossible thing, feel the sentinals, and destroy them, Guess I'll have to wait till the third:D
 






Originally posted by nweibley

Ohh yeah, and one more thing. Read breaking news on www.thematrix.com and see the hex code at the end. If you can solve how to get to it (hint: 01101111) there is a fun program to play with.
-----Nate


wow..

THE MATRIX: RELOADED covers a lot of ground. The future brings sections on visual effects, the ships, the creatures, the stunts, and much more. All things evolve. For those that understand this, perhaps the following will be understood.

0xA3B1A428

For the above hex, you will need a fairly fast computer and graphics card. An appreciation of the Neb is not a prerequisite (but it helps).

doode.. i'm soo confused.. how do you solve this thing? shoot.. how do you even get to the problem to solve it?
 






Okay, fine one more hint :D
Options supplies you with binary access :)
(Thats pretty outright)
 






im confused about the guy at the very end in the bed next to neos, who was the only survivor of the attack and the guy who was ganna stab neo before he left zion. someone told me he was smith but i dont get it
 






In the begining, remeber those two guys who were being attacked? One said to the other something along the lines of 'Did you see those agents, I've never seen any like them' and the other said 'yeah' then the first left the matrix through the phone.
Smith jumped down, cloned into the second guy, then left the matrix through the phone. Thats pretty weird since he is a computer program, but he was the only survivor... weird.
 



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