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The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia is nutz!!

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/02/29/redwoods.vs.solar.ap/index.html

SUNNYVALE, California (AP) -- In an environmental dispute seemingly scripted for eco-friendly California, a man asked prosecutors to file charges against his neighbors because their towering redwoods blocked sunlight to his backyard solar panels.
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But the couple next door insisted they should not have to chop down the trees to accommodate Mark Vargas' energy demands because they planted the redwoods before he installed the solar panels in 2001.
Experts say such clashes could become more common as California promotes renewable energy and solar systems become more popular.
"Five or ten years ago, you wouldn't have seen this case because there weren't that many systems around," said Frank Schiavo, a retired environmental-studies professor at San Jose State University. "I can almost guarantee there are going to be more conflicts."
After more than six years of legal wrangling, a judge recently ordered Richard Treanor and his wife, Carolyn Bissett, to cut down two of their eight redwoods, citing an obscure state law that protects a homeowner's right to sunlight.
The couple does not plan to appeal the ruling because they can no longer afford the legal expenses, but they plan to lobby state lawmakers to change or scrap the law.
The Solar Shade Control Act means that homeowners can "suddenly become a criminal the day a tree grows big enough to shade a solar panel," Treanor said.
The case marks the first time a homeowner has been convicted of violating the law, which was enacted three decades ago, when few homeowners had solar systems.
The law requires homeowners to keep their trees or shrubs from shading more than 10 percent of a neighbor's solar panels between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m., when the sun is strongest. Existing trees that cast shadows when the panels are installed are exempt, but new growth is subject to the law.
Residents can be fined up to $1,000 a day for violations, though the judge did not impose any fines against the Treanors.
Vargas says the law protects his $70,000 investment in solar power, and he believes it should be strengthened.
"I think it's unfair that a neighbor can take away this source of energy from another neighbor," he said.
Treanor, a retired engineer, said he and his wife are not against solar power, "but we think there's a rational way to implement it."
Solar power is growing rapidly in California, which is by far the nation's biggest generator of solar energy. In 2007, more than 30,000 California homes and businesses had rooftop solar panels, with the capacity to generate 400 megawatts of electricity.
That's as much as eight power plants, according to the nonprofit Environment California.
The boom is being fueled by the California Solar Initiative, which offers homeowners and businesses more than $3 billion in rebates over the next decade to install solar-electric systems.
Both sides say they want to do what's best for the environment.
Treanor and Bissett, who drive a hybrid Toyota Prius, argue that trees absorb carbon dioxide, cool the surrounding air and provide a habitat for wildlife.
Vargas, who recently bought a plug-in electric car, counters it would take two or three acres of trees to reduce carbon dioxide emissions as much as the solar panels that cover his roof and backyard trellis.
Bernadette Del Chiaro, clean energy advocate for Environment California, says the solar shade law might need to be revised to prevent similar disputes.
"We want to make sure we are protecting individuals who have invested a lot of money in solar power, which is an important resource for the state," she said. But lawmakers might want to "take a look at the policy and make sure it's written in a way that's fair to everybody.
 


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Bull$h1t eco laws, cutting trees for sunlight, how ironic :confused: :rolleyes:


This world is getting more and more screwed up everyday.


Worst yet is all the tool bags from Cali are coming to Texas to start the same bull$h1t







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Hey, that's why it's called the Land of Fruits and Nuts..

I'm here for the weather and scenery. Too bad the politics screw things up royal (Like, Bezerkeley..)
 








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There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas...



Sorry, it popped into my mind when I read the article.:D

Broon's Bane and The Trees are on my playlist at work..:thumbsup:
 




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Broon's Bane and The Trees are on my playlist at work..:thumbsup:

Hopefully they will be on the playlist June 9 at the United Center in Chicago.:thumbsup:
 








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Rush is a great band, but back on topic here.........

This is another great reason why most of us home owner's here are jacking our prices up $50k-100k, one reason is thier retarded enough to pay it and two, if there not, then they won't land here.

Funny thing is, most of them are retarded enough to pay our inflated pricing, which is bank in our pockets, but then again with the ironic eco laws they have instilled in Cali it just proves the fact that they indeed have thier heads up ther ass.

So with that being said anyone from Cali wanna buy our house 3-2-2 on one acre of wooded land, it's at a sweet $190k non-nego.





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Republik of Kalifornia

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That pic is hilarious!

That smilie needs to be hosted here too! Ha ha ha ha!

I work with companies all over the us in the trucking industry, and by far- not even close- the hardest companies to work with are in California. No idea way, just they way things are. Unreal.
 




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It's the laws and other issues... litigation and such.

This is another great reason why most of us home owner's here are jacking our prices up $50k-100k, one reason is thier retarded enough to pay it and two, if there not, then they won't land here.

Funny thing is, most of them are retarded enough to pay our inflated pricing, which is bank in our pockets, but then again with the ironic eco laws they have instilled in Cali it just proves the fact that they indeed have thier heads up ther ass.

So with that being said anyone from Cali wanna buy our house 3-2-2 on one acre of wooded land, it's at a sweet $190k non-nego.

Jeff - :navajo:

Well, SVO, I have to take this one lightly because we have many Texans that come to CA and pay outrageous prices for homes here. The people you see going to TX are people who really just need a break from the reality of this state. It's tough here... With that said, CA, we are not retarded in any way... your homes are very reasonably priced compared to here... and no, we don't have our heads up our assess, the politicos do. In fact, not long ago it was against TX law to refi a house, and now the foreclosure rate is out of sight... so by CA buying existing properties and fcl properties it actually benefits the people and economy of TX. (I'll admit, CA people tend to carry a pretty eft up "me first" attitude, which is more typical of So CA than anywhere else in the state. But TX tend to be very stubborn and difficult when in CA.

That pic is hilarious!

That smilie needs to be hosted here too! Ha ha ha ha!

I work with companies all over the us in the trucking industry, and by far- not even close- the hardest companies to work with are in California. No idea way, just they way things are. Unreal.
It's mostly legal issues that keep CA companies difficult... it wasn't always this way, it's pretty sad now. Everyone is afraid to get sued, and we have two sets of laws here - one for non-citizens and one for the rest (in terms of business).
 




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That's true- it is all legal. At work, we are an agent for GE medical, and we arrange rollbak towtrucks to unload equipment at hospitals and med centers. They are in wheeled crates, with winch points, and are created to be unloaded on rollbacks. The equipment is self insured, and we have waiver paperwork for the towtruck drivers, because the value of the equipment is too high for their insurance, so we insure it to our trucks as long as the unload is on hospital grounds, which they all are. In 48 states and Canada (We don't do Hawaii) have no issues- in 'ol state number 49- California- we have to call 5 towtruck companies before we even get someone to THINK about doing it, and this stuff pays awesome (like $400-$500 for 30 minutes of work) and they have zero liability! Its insane... Plus, we can't seem to get anyone on the phone out there until after 8:30am. It's like life doesn't start in Cali until 8:30, so frustrating!

But Donner, I still love your Ex. :D
 












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Donner I'm sorry you feel offended by my reply, but like TDavis you can't group yourself in the retarded class unless your the one screwing up your own sandbox, and then running away from it.

There are people whom are moving here from there that have already started eco movements here that are pissing alot of us off.

Austin, classified as the music capitol of Texas, implimented was a sound ordinace, boy was that a swift kick to our nuts.

Green building, some of it is a great program, most of it is micro-managing that wastes from time, money and fuel, depositing more HC's into the air.

Growth and develpment have taken more of our precious, beautiful trees away, due to the fact that the lowest bidded gets the contract, which means he's going to wipe the lot clean, quickly to get the job done and get his monies, there goes trees, vegitation and causing dranage issues, later to be fixed, with complaints and more wasted time and monies.

I realize that you have some over crowding issues, and transportation issues, I do NOT belive in removing emmisions controls on vehicles, but with the populations how they are I don't belive we need to have as strict laws about it, now days vehicles are greener than ever.



Basically in short, what I'm saying is don't screw up your sandbox, realize that you made a monster that lives there and now don't want to live with it, and come to my sandbox and try and start all over and screw it up to.

We have, on a smaller scale, the same thing going on in our neighbourhood, we all moved out here for more lax reasons, if we wanted all our yards mowed within a certian hieght, or our trash cans in no later than 2 hours from pick-up, nomore than "X" numbers of cars limited to our driveway, and soforth, we'd move the suburbs, but you newbie's don't need to move in here and try and push your crap on us, you saw what kind of neighbourhood you were moving into when you came to look at the house, you accepted it, kiss my ass is you think we're gonna change that, that's your problem not mine or the rest of my neighbours.



AND I belive the reaon Texan's are moving that way is for jobs, I too looked into moving that way when UTI offered me a job, I asked questions, did my research, and...........well you see where I still reside today, I turned the teaching position down.


Donner don't be mad at me, be mad at the ones who are causing these ripples, if you want to put yourself in thier same position fine, but you'll have to take thier heat along with it. (TDavis knew I was point a finger at him)
Step back and look at it, some of the laws and soforth you all have going on over there are just that infact "RETARDED".

You can't get a handle on violence nor gun control, so in return you can't have tinted side glass on your vehicle, doesn't seem to be a problem over here, we all carry guns.

NewYork, how can you not smell the polution? Thier emissions standars/checks aren't near what they are over there.


Just step back and look at it, on the same note, I'm still not budging on the price of the house, and actually I really am a nice guy :cool:





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oh, i'm not offended... it's that we have a socialist state. the first wave of citizens to leave left (mostly conservative voters) because of the political nonsense here. the next wave left because of the cost of living. business owners left because it doesn't make sense to run a business in an unfriendly business environment. in Berkley there were people that demanded the American flag be taken off government vehicles - i still don't understand that one, but that's Berkley. but CA is home, a violent, expensive, home, but the people here, most of the people here do not fit the descriptions given, many of them are from the Midwest (1930s) or originate from the Midwest, and of course the Latins - unfortunately the current arrivals don't care to learn English or assimilate, and the politicos bow down to them. We had to assimilate in the 1960s and 1970s, it was right to do, and still is.

But TX has some of these problems too... and I am CA, this is home - and those people that leave here to go to TX, they are just like me except they don't seem to realize that CA is more welcoming to all types than TX is, you have reason to be critical, but in turn the economy of your state is now tied to CA - your property values are up because of CA.

It is odd how people from CA try to change the political landscape there, but not here. With all the problems we have here, we are the same as you. I understand TDavis' perspective, but it's not mine.

When you say CA, retards, heads up assess, etc, that's over the top (although some are that way). I don't share the same disdain for transplants from TX, stubborn, yes, but good people over all.
 




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There is unrest in the forest
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For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas...

And the trees were all kept equal by hatchet, axe and saw.
 




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Most eco based politics are "feel good", not "what's really good for the environment" (look at hybrids - they actually do more damage that regular cars when you consider the complete life cycle of the product).

I automatically vote against every Democrat in every election here. I also vote against Republicans too.. I'm registered "undeclared". I always tell people - Republicans here would be considered Democrats in Nebraska.

The tree sitters in Berkeley (trying to save a man-made grove of trees.. that are less than 100 years old) should be taken out and shot, along with code-pink.. Yes, I live next to the insanity, no, I do not support them (I try to boycott anything Berkeley)

Is there lots of wierdos in the SF Bay area? You betcha. Do I wish they would just shut up and sit down and behave? Yes. I could rant for days about this..

Like I said, I'm here for the weather and the views, and I do not support the majority political views around here.
 




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