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I acknowledge all of that, but is it fair to say that as long as the rich people all live next to each other, they can waste all that they want to? I don't care personally what he uses, but if that is some huge amount, then he has absolutely no business suggesting that others conserve. There is the point, a hypocrite cannot admonish anyone to do anything. I have no respect for that. Regards,
 



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Don,

My earlier post was kind of a truce. An agreement to disagree. There is no PROOF of anything, but the scientific EVIDENCE supports global warming.

Can I not see the similarities to communism? No, I can't. It's about time this country woke up after having the wool pulled over its eyes through 8 years of Neo-Con bulls***.

We do not live in a vacuum. It's funny how we can b**** and complain when countries that aren't our friends (friend (n) republican edition: those who kiss our a$$ or they sell us oil for cheap) build something we don't like or contribute to their version of the free market, but when it's our turn to be a fair global citizen, we give everyone the finger.

As for your American manufacturer load of horses***, let me break it down for you. American company starts outsourcing, American worker (who you probably don't care about because he's in a union and votes Democrat) loses his job. I buy $500 worth of Ford parts and I see Made in Canada and Made in Mexico stickers all over them. Also, because they're outsourcing to other countries, that means that they are contributing to another country's infrastructure NOT ours.

A Japanese company comes over and starts building plants. AMERICAN construction workers build the plant. AMERICAN workers, work in the plant. These AMERICAN workers than support the towns were their located and spread the worth.

Oh, but the profits go to an American company. Uh, try again. Every major American company has a large number of foreign investors. Those who are American investors aren't exactly running out and spending it in the community.

And your arguement that buying from a Japanese company puts Americans out of work... Please! If I buy enough Camarys to put a shift at Ford or GM out of work, Toyota has added another shift of AMERICAN workers.

I singled you out because you played the communism scare tactic card. If you want a debate, you'll get a debate. But lets be adults about it and not play the propaganda game.

NEXT?!?!?
 






...There is no PROOF of anything, but the scientific EVIDENCE supports global warming...

That is a contradiction, you say there is no proof, but your position has evidence. That makes no sense.

I do not support the taxation of myself or my country because some group of people think(wrongly) that we all are damaging the world etc. Do not support such crap and drag us all along with you. If you want to give your assets toward the idea of stopping man made harm, fine. Leave the rest of us alone.

...your arguement that buying from a Japanese company puts Americans out of work...

I don't know where you read that, but it was not from me. I specifically stated elsewhere that a given number of vehicles will be built in the USA. That will result in a certain number of Americans building them, regardless of what manufacturer it is. Others have suggested that buying a Japanese vehicle increases the number of American jobs. That is the stupid idea which I was responding to. People justify doing the wrong thing, due to some created bad reason.

The communism reference I made is something which has been pointed out on a couple of radio shows. The environmentalist movement has grown massively since the fall of communism. At the same time, the reasoning from environmentalists has become more illogical and harmful to our free society. They are basically against anything and everything which is good for freedom and a free economy. They want no use of any of our resources, no nuclear energy, and bigger government, to raise taxes to support massive new entitlement programs, etc. The list goes on and on, and it gets old fighting for what should be logical thoughts for freedom.

All of this and that is about our freedoms. We have every freedom there is(by god given, not government), until government and the regulations come along and take them away a little at a time. Please read the Constitution and see where we began, the government is supposed to serve and protect us, not take care of us or tell us what to do. Regards,
 






That is a contradiction, you say there is no proof, but your position has evidence. That makes no sense.[/quote]

By the dictionary definition, you are correct. Let me rephrase. When I said proof, I mean 100% verifiable proof. The earth is a sphere... there are many ways we can prove that. There is plenty of evidence that supports global warming. Those who wish to dispute it see it as a natural climate change that is independent of human behavior. I can't dispute that. It's too coincidental that we are experiencing much harsher weather patterns as our use (and abuse) of fossil fuels increase.

I do not support the taxation of myself or my country because some group of people think(wrongly) that we all are damaging the world etc. Do not support such crap and drag us all along with you. If you want to give your assets toward the idea of stopping man made harm, fine. Leave the rest of us alone.

I hate paying taxes as much as anyone else. But to have usable roads and a firetruck that will actually get me to the fire, they are a necessary evil. Like I said earlier, our government is screwed up. No one, Republican or Democrat has the balls to stop all this pork barrel spending.

I don't know where you read that, but it was not from me. I specifically stated elsewhere that a given number of vehicles will be built in the USA. That will result in a certain number of Americans building them, regardless of what manufacturer it is. Others have suggested that buying a Japanese vehicle increases the number of American jobs. That is the stupid idea which I was responding to. People justify doing the wrong thing, due to some created bad reason.

The point I'm trying to make is that lately, Japanese manufacturers have built more plants in the United States and hired more Americans. The Japanese building plants here did not cause Ford and GM and that other "American" company to lay off workers and shut down plants. Outsourcing and poor business decisions did that.

The communism reference I made is something which has been pointed out on a couple of radio shows. The environmentalist movement has grown massively since the fall of communism. At the same time, the reasoning from environmentalists has become more illogical and harmful to our free society. They are basically against anything and everything which is good for freedom and a free economy. They want no use of any of our resources, no nuclear energy, and bigger government, to raise taxes to support massive new entitlement programs, etc. The list goes on and on, and it gets old fighting for what should be logical thoughts for freedom.

Don, I can tell that you are an intelligent and patriotic man, but radio shows... Talk radio is the biggest source of propaganda out there. It's mainly right wing because the left sucked at it, but it all propaganda. I'm assuming you're talking about Rush, Savage, Bortz or Coulter. I'll tell you this. Those four are praying every night that Obama wins and is a two term president because they'll have eight more years of guaranteed income.

There are fringes to every movement and the environmentalists are no different. But don't let some talking head who doesn't care if they tell the truth or not give you your information. I'm all for nuclear and I'm a pretty strong environmentalist.

As for free economy, there hasn't been one of those in ages. The "free economy" that they talk about on the radio isn't free. It's completely manipulated with trade agreements. No one in our government has the courage to create a system that rewards companies for hiring Americans. You could tax companies a relatively lower rate and more than make up for it with an increased number of wage earners. It's a win-win situation.

All of this and that is about our freedoms. We have every freedom there is(by god given, not government), until government and the regulations come along and take them away a little at a time. Please read the Constitution and see where we began, the government is supposed to serve and protect us, not take care of us or tell us what to do. Regards,

I have read the Constitution, btw. I believe that's the document that Clinton used to wipe Monica's chin with and Bush later used to wipe his @$$. This country was built on freedoms. But with freedom comes great responsibility. And unfortunately, when people act irresponsibly, the government intervenes and makes it worse.

A great example is gun control. In my eyes, the bad guys are going to have what ever gun they want. It's not as if they care that they'll have a weapons charge tacked onto their murder rap. So, I think that we should be able to have whatever gun we want. However, there has to be checks in place. There needs to be enough of a wait to thoroughly check someone's background. There also needs to be registration and ballistic fingerprinting. Therefore, if someone commits a crime with the gun it can be traced to the owner. If the owner was irresponsible and lost it, had it stolen, etc, they need to share the blame.

Don, I tend to think we agree on a lot of things. But these last eight years have really pissed me off. We've lost too many freedoms, we've lost too many jobs and we've allowed China to own us. We go into Afghanistan to take down the ******* who attacked MY city, killed 343 of MY brothers and avenge all the other evils of 9/11 and then we just up and leave for... don't get me started. We could have made Afghanistan a crater for all I cared and then if Saddam needed a beat down, whatever. But Osama is still out there and I'm still pissed.
 






I am done for this thread after this, we got too far off base, fast.

My gripe about almost everything is that our own government caused just about every big problem that we have had. Every single government program hurts us all as a whole(not military).

Too many people(way too many) complain about the government, but they want the government to fix things.

I want the government out of my life, we as a people should hardly notice the existence of government(quote by TLJ in Men in Black). Many of the problems that we have argued about here all would be trivial if we did not have the IRS and all of the embedded taxes.

This includes our current fuel crisis, again, the government receives over 40% of every dollar we spend on gas. They are the cause of high gasoline prices, initially, now and in the future. Everyone needs to(I'd like to use the word must) contact(scream at) their representatives and make them stop taxing us to death. As their power increases, we as a nation are getting closer to a new kind of government(inference intended). Regards,
 






Agreed. We ALL need to tell the nutjob extremists that masquarade as members of each of our respective parties to shove it. What we both fell into, is exactly what they want. Pointing fingers and fighting with each other instead of fighting for the country we love.

Don, I apologize if I offended you and I'll tell you in advance that I took no offense with your words. We both love our country dearly and want the best for it. Now lets start making it happen.
 






Thank you and God Bless you, we all do want to take care of ourselves and our families. This forum here should be part of our entertainment. I appreciate what is shared and learned here. Regards,
 






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