• Register Today It's free! This box and some ads will disappear once registered!

^^Searches ExplorerForum.com^^

Torsion Bar 101, Everything you Need to look for!


WidgetTrac

Active Member
Joined
April 17, 2012
Messages
196
Reaction score
0
City, State
Cypress, TX
Year, Model & Trim Level
2001 Sport Trac 2wd
With my stock bolts maxxed out, the keys are almost at the end of ther range. If I got bolts that were 1" longer, I would only be able to use a small part of the additional length - basically just enough to cram the tops of the keys up against the end of the seat. To go beyond that, you could rotate the bars 60 degrees to the next hex flat, but that would probably be waaay too much spring pressure!!!

so if you're 2wd or just want MORE, (but not 60 deg. more!), then the keys are a way to re-index.
 

Join the Elite Explorers for $20. Gets rid of the ads!

Explorer Forum has probably saved you that much already, and will continue to save you money as you learn how to diagnose fix problems yourself and learn which modifications work without having to experiment on your own. Elite Explorer members see practically no advertisements, no banner ads, no double underlined links, can add their own profile photo, upload photo attachments in all forums, and Media Gallery, create and save more private Conversations, and more. Join Today. Your support is greatly appreciated.



CDW6212R

Hauls the mail.
Elite Explorer
Joined
June 17, 2004
Messages
19,935
Reaction score
1,270
City, State
Knoxville, TN
Year, Model & Trim Level
98 Limited AWD
New keys(aftermarket) used to be $90 or so. The bars were $45 each from Ford, I have "B"'s now.
 


WidgetTrac

Active Member
Joined
April 17, 2012
Messages
196
Reaction score
0
City, State
Cypress, TX
Year, Model & Trim Level
2001 Sport Trac 2wd
...either method is just lifting and changing the LCA angle.
Don't see how the "preload" or "spring rate" changes...l
Thank you! I don't know how many warnings i've seen about this. Torsion twist is basically the same as a shackle lift in the rear - it doesn't change the springs or their stiffness or rate. you need AAL to do that, or just new springs ot T-bars, or coil springs, or coilover. You can wear springs out or ruin them with heat, but not make them firmer.

To put it another way, the front of your truck doesn't get heavier when you lift it, therefore the tires will still be pushing against the ground with the same force, therefore the same spring pressure.

Except for the very slight change in LCA angle. But that's very slight... usually.
 


swshawaii

Elite Explorer
Joined
April 3, 2009
Messages
9,467
Reaction score
396
City, State
Kailua-Oahu, Hawaii
Year, Model & Trim Level
'05 Sport Trac XLS (RWD)
To put it another way, the front of your truck doesn't get heavier when you lift it, therefore the tires will still be pushing against the ground with the same force, therefore the same spring pressure.

Except for the very slight change in LCA angle. But that's very slight...
usually.
You got it Widgettrac! :thumbsup:

Claims of torsion keys retaining stock ride quality usually only comes from the people selling them.
The only reason to use them is if they're out of travel, or you don't want to do a torsion key flip to lower.
Stock LCA angles are almost parallel to the frame, small changes will make a huge ride quality difference.
 
Last edited:


WidgetTrac

Active Member
Joined
April 17, 2012
Messages
196
Reaction score
0
City, State
Cypress, TX
Year, Model & Trim Level
2001 Sport Trac 2wd
There's the man! Anybody who still doesn't get it, go back and read Dons post(s) around the middle pages of this thread!

There are lift key sets for $45 shipped, but they appear to be cut from flat bar instead of forged - maybe not as strong? maybe stronger, I dunno... Maybe tighter tolerances, maybe schmabey - if anyone actually knows anything about the cheap keys in particular, especially anything BAD, please post! I'm almost certain I'll end up going with lift keys, and even though they all basically provide the same function, some are bound to be made better than others...
 


swshawaii

Elite Explorer
Joined
April 3, 2009
Messages
9,467
Reaction score
396
City, State
Kailua-Oahu, Hawaii
Year, Model & Trim Level
'05 Sport Trac XLS (RWD)
Many people despise this company, fortunately I bought my drop keys used.
Haven't ever heard of them failing, mine have served me well without issues.
And if it makes you feel better, call them ChassisTech, NOT AirBagIt. LOL

http://www.airbagit.com/product-p/key-x-fr98.htm
 


CDW6212R

Hauls the mail.
Elite Explorer
Joined
June 17, 2004
Messages
19,935
Reaction score
1,270
City, State
Knoxville, TN
Year, Model & Trim Level
98 Limited AWD
For lifting you may be able to find later Ranger keys. The Rangers had keys clocked to provide higher ride heights. So it could be cheaper to buy those used if you have a salvage yard that lets you work on them. I'm not sure of which year models, I just recall reading on the RPS forum about people using the Explorer keys to lower with.
 


WidgetTrac

Active Member
Joined
April 17, 2012
Messages
196
Reaction score
0
City, State
Cypress, TX
Year, Model & Trim Level
2001 Sport Trac 2wd
People also seem confused about whether to do this with the truck sitting on the ground or jacked up. There are pros and cons to either method. The correct method is the method that suits your situation tje best.

FoMoCo says to do it on the ground, but ask yourself "why?" The official procedure was developed for the benefit of the dealership service department, and they do things differently than a guy in his driveway. They do in an alignment bay, where a guy can walk underneath. More significantly, the tires will be on "floating" pads that allow the suspension to settle WHILE you are adjusting, so you can instantly tell exactly how high it is. You set it and you're done , exactly right, right away, and you're ready to move on to the next job. Time is money, so get it done and get it out and get on to the next one.

At home, there aren't any floating pads, so you have to roll the car a few feet to relieve the camber change pressure against the tire sidewalls, so you don't get 100% accurate real-time feedback while doing the adjustment. If you do it on the ground you can still see approximately how much it's moving, but you still have to roll it to see where it will settle. At home, the pros for doing it on the ground are less time spent jacking, and being somewhat able to see the effect of what you're doing while you're doing it.

BUT... those bolts can be a reat biatch! Especially if they've never been moved...

Jacking the front tires off the ground makes the adjusters a bit easier to turn. I counted about 80 "cranks" on my ratchet from top to bottom, which I figure is about 20 full turns. My arms literally fell off, poetically speaking. Anything that helps, helps, so that's why most people do this with the front jacked.

...and also why people who write procedures for dealer mechanics prefer their way. There are good reasons for either method, mostly depending on facilities.
 


WidgetTrac

Active Member
Joined
April 17, 2012
Messages
196
Reaction score
0
City, State
Cypress, TX
Year, Model & Trim Level
2001 Sport Trac 2wd
Airbagit has interesting 2wd lift spindles, but i've decided against spindle lift due to track width increase and wheel backspace limitations. The torsion keys above look just like the cheap ones on Ebay, meaning they are cut from flat bar or plate, which is probably fine if well designed... Water jets do nice work!

But finding OEM for the same price or less would be fantastic!

I'll have to find pics of a key flip , because I can't see how the keys would fit into their seats, unless the seats are flippable in some way as well. That was actually the reason I came to this thread in the 1st place, lol...
 




CDW6212R

Hauls the mail.
Elite Explorer
Joined
June 17, 2004
Messages
19,935
Reaction score
1,270
City, State
Knoxville, TN
Year, Model & Trim Level
98 Limited AWD
I had one stock key flipped to get my truck as low as I wanted it, one side was far far from the adjustment of the other one. Now with two lowering keys, I have the height where I want it, but with the keys oriented properly for the bolts.

Set the final heights with the truck on the ground, and it has to be rolled some, or driven, to check it. You can lower the truck with it on the ground, but don't raise it that way. The weight of the truck is too much to force the bolt in(up) to lift the truck. Simply jack up the front for the few seconds it takes to crank the bolts up, and then drop it to the ground to check the new height.
 


bushgeroge551

New Member
Joined
June 10, 2012
Messages
1
Reaction score
0


I have an 04 LC. It had a pretty drastic stinkbug stance, so I had the torsion bars cranked to level it out a bit (still some slant). I believe that all the mechanic did was crank the bars (and an alignment) and that he did NOT re-index the torsion bars.

My LC currently looks good (right stance) and drives well (on the street and fire roads, I don't drive it on anything harsher). I've also had subsequent alignments with no issues.

My questions are: What exactly does re-indexing the torsion bars do (I know it affects/increases down travel)? Should I get my torsion bars re-indexed and re-cranked (and an alignment) even though I'm not noticing any ride issues? Does re-indexing and cranking change the CV angles less than just cranking (i.e., would I be less likely to need a diff drop if I do both instead of crank only)?

Last, but not least, would you expect re-indexing and re-cranking to reduce some of the misc. noises that I sometimes experience and that seem to be coming from my front suspension (some pops and/or clank-type noises I get from time-to-time)?

Thanks in advance!!
 
Last edited:


Codil7

New Member
Joined
June 18, 2012
Messages
1
Reaction score
0
City, State
Bowling Green, KY
Year, Model & Trim Level
2003 Ford Explorer
Where are the torsion bolts on a 2003 explorer? i cant find them anywhere and the diagram looks like its for a much older model. Im probably looking right at them i just dont know it.
 


swshawaii

Elite Explorer
Joined
April 3, 2009
Messages
9,467
Reaction score
396
City, State
Kailua-Oahu, Hawaii
Year, Model & Trim Level
'05 Sport Trac XLS (RWD)


fordfrystak

New Member
Joined
March 26, 2011
Messages
24
Reaction score
0
City, State
Indiana
Year, Model & Trim Level
1999 Explorer XLT 4.0 4x4
Went down a horse trail for the first time with my ex..... hit a rock that was hidden in a puddle... and well the rock fought back. Ripped off that nice piece of metal that covers the rear mounting point of the front right torsion bar. Very easy to replace but man did i feel it yank
8c39e769.jpg

6b03cc99.jpg
 


black98exploder

New Member
Joined
May 12, 2012
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Year, Model & Trim Level
98 explorer xlt
to lower my front end on my 98 explorer 4 door 4wd can i completely remove the torsion adjuster bolts or do they need to stay in part way? i do plan on lowering so im pretty close to a 30 1/2 inch height all around as the front driver side sits at 33" even and the passenger sits at 33 1/2 and i know the back sags a bit as i have a big system in the back but i want to get everything as close as i can i know ill probably have to do the TT but for now i just want to bring the front down without doing the tt right now
 


antdemoe6

New Member
Joined
October 24, 2012
Messages
28
Reaction score
0
City, State
Southington Ohio
Year, Model & Trim Level
1997 Mercury Mountaineer
If i tighten the bolts does that lower or lift it?
 


albi1cnobi1

Elite Mountaineer
Elite Explorer
Joined
December 21, 2007
Messages
1,797
Reaction score
5
City, State
South Jersey
Year, Model & Trim Level
99 Mountaineer V6 4x4
Tighten = lift, loosen = lower.
 


antdemoe6

New Member
Joined
October 24, 2012
Messages
28
Reaction score
0
City, State
Southington Ohio
Year, Model & Trim Level
1997 Mercury Mountaineer
if i want to lift it do i loosen or tighten the bolts?
 

Join the Elite Explorers for $20. Gets rid of the ads!

Explorer Forum has probably saved you that much already, and will continue to save you money as you learn how to diagnose fix problems yourself and learn which modifications work without having to experiment on your own. Elite Explorer members see practically no advertisements, no banner ads, no double underlined links, can add their own profile photo, upload photo attachments in all forums, and Media Gallery, create and save more private Conversations, and more. Join Today. Your support is greatly appreciated.



antdemoe6

New Member
Joined
October 24, 2012
Messages
28
Reaction score
0
City, State
Southington Ohio
Year, Model & Trim Level
1997 Mercury Mountaineer


Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
T Bent torsion bar adjustment bolt Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 10
R Airbag torsion bar adjustment. Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 2
C does a 1991 2 door sprt explorer have a torsion twist bar?? Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 3
N Springs and Torsion bar upgrades. Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 13
wisekise torsion bar lift Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 2
9 Torsion Bar Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 1
C The Pros and cons of Torsion Bar lifts Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 5
S more travel out of your torsion bar suspension? Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 19
C Torsion bar adjustment bracket bent.. Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 2
S torsion bar slipping Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 3
B Reindexed torsion bar keys??? Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 5
I Torsion bar rating? Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 4
S Torsion bar fact. Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 10
R Another torsion bar adjuster question Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 3
C Torsion Bar Questions Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 1
R Replace Those Torsion Bar Adjusters!!! Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 28
C Torsion Bar adjuster not alingned with bolt?!?! Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 1
S torsion bar suspension Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 4
P 98 TORSION BAR ADJUSTERS Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 14
9 Torsion Bar Noise Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 2
section525 Torsion Bar Relocator Kit? Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 68
S torsion bar bolts? Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 3
m435tro Need Help on Lowering X with Torsion bar Suspension Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 11
B Realift Torsion Bar Relocators Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 6
R torsion bar bolts Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 3
S Torsion Bar Isolator?!?! Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 27
C how to check torsion bar kevlar pads? Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 2
A TORSION BAR ALIGNMENT Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 1
NoBoundaries Looks like a 2wd pickup... OME installed, torsion bar help... Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 6
T '96 XLT Lift? Torsion Bar or Body Lift? Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 4
D torsion bar drop: results Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 0
B Broken Torsion Bar Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 11
N Torsion Bar Lift Noise Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 2
D Torsion bar lift Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 1
Mbrooks420 Torsion Bar Adjustment Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 3
P taking down the torsion bar Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 0
D Question for those w/ torsion bar lowering. Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 9
J B Code Torsion Bar Install Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 9
G !997 Torsion bar adjusters Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 4
G 2" torsion bar lift Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 2
S Torsion Bar Tool Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 8
T torsion bar Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 1
A Where do I get torsion-bar adjustment bolts? Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 22
F Torsion Bar Lift? Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 4
N torsion bar questions Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 2
U Torsion Bar Twist Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 2
S Torsion Bar Twist and Add-a-leaf Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 21
A Torsion Bar???? Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 3
R New Torsion Bar for lift???? Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 6
S Location of Torsion Bar Bolts Shocks, Suspensions, Lift Kits 3
Similar threads


















































Top