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Truckhaven 2001!!

OK I just dug up the info on the net MLK's B-Day it's the 3rd Monday of January which makes the T-Haven trip Jan. 12 - 15. Saturday and Sunday would be the main runs.

Does anyone have a problem with it being set earlier than originally discussed? How many people have MLK day off and are using that to make this a long weekend?
 



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Come on guys we need some input on this...
 






My fall semester is over in Dec., so any time is fine with me. My dad can take off just about anyday needed. So the date is no biggie to me. Just need the final date so i can put it on the calender. :) Looking forward to this year. I can be a driver this time. :)
 






If my opinion counts at all I vote for MLK weekend. I have a 4 day weekend then and it would definitely be easier for me. Like I said though I don't know that my opinion counts. Rick said we go whenever the majority wants to go.
 






Id love to go. Never really been really off-roading yet. At least not to this degree. Any info would be great! I will be in LA by the time Truckhaven 2001 one rolls around. how far is it away? Also, how much would there be to do for a pretty much stock explorer? I have the listed mods so far, and should have some 31x10.5 tires by then. But thats about it. Will I be okay without a lift? Also, is there any manditory equipment I will need to have? I really cant afford to break my truck! (again) :) Sounds like a blast though, and I should have no problem making MLK...

Nick
 






MLK is fine with me. Any weekend that is not areound the 4th business day of the month works for me. Im all packed and ready to go!!

Flyguy, Totally stock is OK. I was totally stock last time and the only problem I had was me. Hopefully by this year I have bigger tires and some lift. My truck did more than I thought was possible. I would say no way, and someone else would hop in and drive right up. Also, its a great place to check out what others have done so you can get some ideas.

As for what to bring, bring what you can. Its always better to be safe than sorry.

You should have a tow hook installed on the front and rear. Thats actually a tall order for explorers, I dont have any yet, but if you feel comfortable being towed by the pumpkin, well hey, its your truck. A CB is a must. Also bring a tow strap, spare fluids, a spare belt, maybe some spare hoses, and a rather complete tool kit. Dont forget a spare and make sure the cooling and braking systems are up to par. Everyone else can fill in whatever I forgot.

By the way, I will be bringing my security star bit for the MAF. Those who were there last year know that I needed one and no one had one, not even the Ford mechanic. Need to clean your MAF, ill be the one to see!
 






Bummer! I dont have a spare! It got lost at a body shop. How much are stock rims? I guess I could just make one or whatever. Hmm... on the subject of tow hooks. HOW!?! Ive been trying to find a way to install front tow hooks without removing the air dam. Id also like the hooks visable... How about the rear hooks? I havent even looked into it. how about tires? I was going to buy some BFG's... but not the real aggressive kind... because I do LOTS of city driving... I was pretty set of the longtrails. how would those perform out at truckhaven? The All-Terrians look like the street ride would suffer alot... Just a thought. Are there any shields I can install for under the car? I forget what they are called but protect from bottoming out... how about running boards? Will they need to be removed? INFO INFO!

Nick
 






Flyguy you can do it

Nick,

1) You asked about putting tow hooks and other things pertaining to your early model. I am not qualified to answer that; I own a '99 Eddie Bauer, so I'll leave that to someone else. I will offer info that I know from firsthand experience, though. These are not opinions, they are facts.

2) The "shields" you asked about are skidplates. If you want to run offroad, put some under your vehicle. I do not consider these an option: do you really want to run your 2.5 ton vehicle scraping across trail rocks with your gas tank?

3) Mandatory equipment is covered on this website's main page at http://www.explorer4x4.com/trail_equip.html written by yours truly :D. Read the whole article and bring the required items. For beginners, others will supply the rest of the stuff on a big outting like Truckhaven.

4) If you plan any offroad trips, forget the Long Trails and get the BFG AT ko's. In every way, in every circumstance, the AT ko's are astronomically superior to the Firestones that came on your SUV: road noise comparable (except for maybe between 20-30 mph while turning or braking; then only negligible difference), they do not hydroplane AT ALL, they last a heckuva lot longer (ask Ray Lobato who has I think 70-80,000 on his older pre-ko tires), and the offroad difference is alike to comparing crossing wet ice in tennis shoes and then glueing sandpaper on the bottoms of them. I have 11,000 city commuting Dallas miles on my AT's with NO complaints, and only halleluhahs for dumping the Firestones. I can simply look at the Long Trail tread and tell that they will never take me where mine has gone before on my AT's. Buy the AT's and don't think twice. Period. The agressive tread design that scares you actually looks a heckuva lot neater too :). Think about it: you get a much better tire, much safer on the street, incomparably better offroad, longer lasting, and it looks boss too. HELLO???

5) Running boards. This will be your judgement call, but listen to me. My experience is directly pocketbook valid and learned the very hard way. With a stock vehicle, you will be concerned with losing valuable ground clearance. I lose 3", and that's a lot on the trail. There is the very real possibility that you will bang up the bottoms of them if they hang too low on the trail. Bummer, and it costs you money.

I did that, and rebent the running board framework myself and bought the painted replacement plastic for a couple hundred bucks and decided I would take them off next time.

My last wheelin'trip, I demolished my lower door panels on one side in a mishap. If I had the running boards on, I would had to yet again buy another running board. For a couple of hundred dollars. Instead, I've got body damage, paint matching, etc. For $1500. Those running boards stick out over half a foot and that is a LOT of protection to your body.

Now, if we meet next year at Truckhaven, take a wild guess whether I will be wearing my $200 running boards or exposing my $1500 rocker panels.

Now I don't want to turn you off to trying this sport. I take trails and lines reserved for more extreme fourwheeling beyond what probably any other '99 Eddie Bauer in this country does. But the point is that something COULD happen even if you are careful, so why bother, just keep the protection on, ok? And that brings us to the fun part...

6) You will be VERY surprised what your vehicle can do. It's been alluded to already in this thread, and I mention it in the Trail Equipment article. Lay aside what you think you can do until you've been on a run with us. It's a LOT more than you think, and you will shock yourself concerning what you accomplish. This is really, really, fun. And you are the final judge, you don't have to follow me. Just have fun without excess risk to your baby, and go home grinning ear-to-ear after the experience!

I cannot tell you the supreme fun it was to show up for a J**p run with my way-too-pretty new Explorer, be made fun of by all those J**pers who wondered what in the heck I was doing out there with them, and then being christened "Jeepeater" by those same people when I made it through trails that required them to constantly get straps and winches.

Hope to See you there.


[Edited by GJarrett on 07-09-2000 at 11:51 AM]
 






Ah, I never really liked my running boards anyways. :) Okay.. I think my explorer came with skid plates on the fuel tank and transfer case... Do I need more than that? Also.. I went to the BFG site and cant find the K0's on there. Where can I check em out at? Im still not sure about them though...ive been trying to get alot smoother ride out of my explorer and getting really aggressive tires seems not the way to go. I dont really do ANY offroading.. except for this Truckhaven... and thats because its gunna be my birthday about then, and I gotta have some fun. :) Hehe. Also.. I dont have a CB. What can I get/use thats cheap for a one time use thing? Hmmm... I dont have a hitch either. Im screwed! hehe. What are some alternatives for rear towing other than having a hitch? can I mount hooks back there? Also, anyone know about getting front hooks? Of course Im considering getting a wench too... Just for kicks. How big of one would I need? I think I saw one that was 9000lb but that was expensive... that had some smaller.. but I dont want one too weak... okay.. any other suggestions would be great!

Nick
 






Oh I see it.. the the All-Terrian T/A KO... got it..
 






Nick,

you'll do fine out there.. There were plenty of stockers last year. I'm only 2wd with an auburn and lift and i do fine. I can go were the stockers go and some of the harder stuff too. If any go just to go. I was a passenger last year and had a blast. You get to meet everyone and check out there rigs. Its alot of fun.
 






My best advice is..

Just show up, no matter if your stock, or even 2wd. There will be plenty of seats/runs for stockers.

I'll be there, just to play get my revenge on a certain ditch.. :)
 






Got MLK?

Believe it or not, but I am actually considering making the trip to Truckhaven! I don't know if I will have the time or not, but I really want to go, not to mention, meet everyone that make this site so great! It would be one hell of a drive, but it would also be one hell of a run too! Still need some time to think about it.
 






assuming my Explorer is highway ready by then, I'll be there... MLK is fine. Hoping to make the 22-hour drive a little faster this time :).
 






Hey Tim,
If you go, I think you will get the prize for the furthest driven.
flyguy, You have plenty of time to get all your stuff together. Please do yourself a favor and get a CB. You won't have as much fun without one. :)
 






How much do those CBs run? I wond have to drill one of those 30ft antennas into my truck will I? :)

Nick
 






Actually they're 38ft, and work better if you paint them pink and put a Pokemon flag on top :D

Seriously, you can get GREAT reception with a magnetic "Lil' Wil" by Wilson with a 3 ft thin whip on top that easily bends through trees, etc. No drilling into your SUV. Buy a cheap $50 CB from Radio Shack or Walmart and you're set for the trail. Or get one for $20 at a garage sale.

Some use handhelds, but I have noticed that reception gets iffy for those things if you are all the way in the back of a group of a dozen+ vehicles on the trail and the trailboss up front cannot hear you clearly.

You have to get one. Before I wrote the "Trail Equipment" article I requested a lot of discussion/opinion on whether a CB should be REQUIRED, as opposed to needed. My original thought was that not having a CB wouldn't be a deal-killer for a run, since you could tag along and it wouldn't be a major thing if you decided you didn't want to keep in touch with the rest of us. That, I thought, was different from you not having a spare tire (for example). If you had no spare, I could with clear conscience tell you that you were not welcome to come. If you got a flat, then several of us would have to abort the rest of our afternoon's fun to attend to ferrying out of the trail to the nearest facilities to find help at a shop to get you fixed and out of there. I got a lot of feedback from other experienced fourwheelers that made it clear that a CB should be required. I have learned that they were right.

Firstly, you should WANT to have one. Without it you'll miss all the correspondence, information, and fun banter between the rest of the group.

Secondly, I learned that it IS the same importance to the rest of the group as having a spare tire. My last run, I was trailboss in a group that included several new J**pers at our local trail. There was a difficult obstacle (Moss Rock) that three of the J**pers elected to not attempt. They were new, had stock rigs, and didn't want to take a chance. Fair enough. The area has many confusing intersections in deep woods. I gave clear instructions to them, that those of us who were now at the top would meet them 1/4 mile east where the trails would meet back together. All they had to do was back out the way they came and meet up.

It didn't happen. We lost them; they didn't come straight back out, took one wrong turn, went off a couple hundred yards to somewhere else, found someone stuck, and got involved towing that Jeep out.

Meanwhile, the rest of us had to wait to find these people. We had to wait because this was their first time there and to leave them would be out of the question since they certainly could not find their own way out.

I had to go searching through the area to locate them and lead them out. Lost time that could have been spent going on further down the trail was close to two hours. If a single one of those new J**pers had a CB we'd have located them immediately and been outta there in ten minutes.

The old wheelers were right in telling me to make a CB REQUIRED on the trail list.

Have one when you join us.



[Edited by GJarrett on 07-09-2000 at 06:15 PM]
 






A handheld unit can be inexpensive, and you dont have to do anything to your truck.

Once you are there though, you will probably get bitten by the build up bug and next thing you know, you've drilled everywhere!!! :)
 



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Cool. I guess Ill have to get one then! Have plenty of time to do it. Lets see. Any suggestions on a spare? Ill be getting some new BFG's 31x10.5 soon. Will that fit under the car? Also, where can I get a rim really cheap?

Nick
 






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