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hello all! well, turdle's mounty has come to maryland. i had been tossing around the idea of a really well built suv that didn't cost a fortune. i have a 97 mounty to tow my racecar and it has been a trusty companion for the last 4 years, but the drivetrain, although very reliable, hasn't been very inspiring. so, i had been looking around for options. i settled on the thought of a 347, but the cost was out of my range...until i read about turdle's mounty up for sale. done deal!

now i need to get going on it. work has been crazy for the past month, so i havent been able to get very far and august isn't looking much better, but i am going to try to squeeze in some time.

i thought about fixing up the new mounty and just selling mine, but with all the body work, reassembly of the drivetrain and electrical issues, it would be far less time to swap in the drivetrain. so, i pulled the engine and trans.

let me tell you, that 4406 is a monster! i dont think its going into mine. the shifter location intruded upon my leg space and i like a stock appearance better, so i'm either going to stick with the AWD or swap in a 4405 control trac and use the v-6 radio bezel with the TC control knobs. need to find out if the control trac can hold up to the power of the mighty 347 tho.

i originally thought that the drivetrain was perfect as is, but after looking into it further, the 3k stall torque converter changes the entire ballgame. i found out that a stall converter isnt good for towing and a lumpy cam is no good for a stock stall. so, they both have to go. i picked out a smaller comp cams stick and a hughs towing converter. the trans is good for over 600tq from stock and the art carr shift kit is a great plus, so that will remain as is. again, the 4406 is NOT going into my truck. the next thing i have been considering is a change in the engine lineup. my mustang is built for american iron, except 1 thing. the 408 lump in the engine bay makes waaay too much power. a 347 would be a perfect size. theres more work involved, but a 408 in the mounty would certainly haul my now lighter mustang! yeah, i know. ive been told a hundred times that the 351 will not fit, but im not convinced. with some block huggers instead of the really wild and tangled mess of torque monster headers, it might be easier to get past the steering column and a/c box. i think the box may need to be modified for the valve cover, but it wouldn't be hard to do. good news is i now have lots of spare parts to test with! the oil pan and CPS arent going to be too much of a problem. i could easily modify the pan i have to fit and the CPS doesn't look that hard. i have access to a lathe. its more work, but it solves 2 problems. 1) i want to have a legal american iron car. 2)i love torque and excellent street manners. i can de-cam the **** out of the 408 to idle smooth as glass while never sweating the hills of PA while towing.

if that doesn't work out, so be it, but it would be a cool project! anywho, thats my story. i hope to share the build with you all! thanks to turdle for helping get this thing shipped to me.
 



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by the way, what does a 96 bronco use a reluctor ring for? its got a dizzy.
 



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I dont know. I just pulled it out of my personal inventory last night and took a few pics. I was hoping someone else would come up with some measurements of a stock Explorer balancer, so we can compare.
 


















Im about 98% sure the one I have was for a customers Bronco. He sold the truck before it came in, but I kept it anyway. It wasnt easy to find then (2000-2001).
 






That balancer is just like the front of all other Ford smallblock balancers, except the Explorer. The only pulley that is close to working with that, are the 94/95 Mustang 302 models. Only the Cobra version is close in size, all regular pulleys and the aftermarket will be too large or too small.

To make them work requires machining the front of the balancer down around 3/8", as figured by measuring the stock Explorer etc.
 






underdrive pulley

snoranger, thanks for the detailed measurements. I've checked a couple of 96 5.8L engines for sale and they didn't have the 4 point reluctor on the balancer. If I ever purchase a 5.8L engine it would be one with the reluctor.

An underdrive pulley is typically 20% smaller in diameter than the stock pulley. The desired pulley diameter is approximately 6 inches. Perhaps there is a stock pulley that is about 7.5 inches in diameter. If so, the underdrive pulley would be about 6 inches in diameter.
 






I bought SN95 underdrive pulleys, because the Cobra pulley was so hard to find. I would not use them, they are too small, way too small. I'll sell anyone that set just to get rid of them.

The stock SN95 pulley is too large, I'd guess almost 7", which is a large increase in speed for the accessories. The Cobra pulley is the same as the Explorer in size, that's the one to use.
 






hmmm,
 

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I bought SN95 underdrive pulleys, because the Cobra pulley was so hard to find. I would not use them, they are too small, way too small. I'll sell anyone that set just to get rid of them.

The stock SN95 pulley is too large, I'd guess almost 7", which is a large increase in speed for the accessories. The Cobra pulley is the same as the Explorer in size, that's the one to use.

So your telling me I should use the stock pulley from my 94 Cobra, left over from the underdrive swap i did a few years ago. :D

I guess I should dig them out and snap a few pics.
 






Yes, those are tough to find.
 






subscribing, this looks to be quite the interesting project... :popcorn:
 












It's an Explorer balancer I'd bet.
 






It looks like one to me.
 






It probably came from a FMS crate engine and is one of many stored away.
 












That one does have six grooves. The close up they show makes the high and low points look alike, so there are about 12 lines you see there. Those aren't the best pictures.

I'd take the part number and run a search with it, that should come up as an Explorer part, which is 50oz.
 






that ebay balancer looks exactly like mine...except the part number. mine is f67a-ab h 23610. theirs was 23630. i would bet that mine is a rebalanced 5.0 balancer.
 

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custom CMP is finished!

its done! my friend machined the sleeve. i press fit it onto the v6 body. i took the bottom part of the 351 dizzy shaft and grafted it to the top half of the stock CMP shaft by using the collar as the joint with pins through each shaft half. runs true and fits in perfectly!
 

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