Barack Obama linked 2nd gen. SAS | Page 29 | Ford Explorer Forums - Serious Explorations

  • Register Today It's free!

Barack Obama linked 2nd gen. SAS

So let me first start with a quick introduction .. my name is Barack Obama and apparently I'm the junior US Senator from Illinois :thumbsup: . I love slow walks on the beach and bed-side stories. Yeah I'm talking to you big boy:

Barack.jpg

Okay now onto the goods...

So recently I've been starting a few threads all relating to my Dana 44 front axle and other tid bits - so I figured it would be best if I just started an SAS thread to pull all of those threads together into one centralize place instead of having them floating about the sea of other threads.

Follow me now as I look back on the threads that I've started:

1) Reading Pinion Depth Number In this thread, I was confused on which number was the pinion depth offset number of my ring and pinion set for the Dana 44. After calling up the good people of Randy's Ring and Pinion, I was told that the numbers on the ring and pinion are no longer used for the pinion depth offset. So I'm like wtf m8!? They did give me a number to start from and so thats what I started with.

2) Ford 9" For Off-Road Use In this thread, I ask the general public what they think about the Ford-9" axle for off-road use. Conclusion, bowties - the GM 14-bolt axle with the stock Detroit locker is a God's send and so thats what I'm going with (it comes with a pinion bearing support - just like the Ford-9").

3) RE SuperFlex Assemby I've never put together a Rubicon Express SuperFlex Joint so in this thread, I ask the public how in the world these things are put togehter. And to be more specific, I was confused how to drive the plastic bushings into the housing. Conclusion - use a press <- faaantastic.

4) Hi-Steer Arms 10-degree Correction In this fabulous discussion, we discuss the ever-popular 10-degree correction that is often placed on High-Steer Arms. In the end, I decided to go with the Sky-Manufacturing arms (although I never updated the thread I dont think - darnit).

5) Dana 44 Ball Joint Sleeve > Replace? Ah finally, the pain in the asymptote. In this thread, which I have yet to resolve really, the problem is that the upper Ball Joint sleeve has frozen itself onto the "C" (aka inner knuckle). The issue has yet to be resolved so no conclusion yet.


Well then, lets dive into some concepts and design ideas.

3link_concept.jpg

As you can see, the front axle is located via a 3-link with a panhard bar. Each link will be mounted to the chassis using Rubicon Express Large SuperFlex Joint. Why go with the RE Joint? Well I was quite impressed at how much JEFE's front axle flexed - so I decided to go with the same joint. I recently asked him whether or not he has broken the 9/16" bolts used to attach the joint to the chassis and he said no - a big :thumbsup: . The link's body is made of a 2"x2" - 0.25" wall square tube - similar to Clayton Off-Road's long arms. Currently, my calculations are aiming for the bottom links to be 38.7" in length and the upper to be 34.2" (figures may change). This gives me an anti-dive of about 105% but I will make the upper link adjustable vertically at the chassis so the anti-dive characteristic can be fine tuned. The bottom links are angled "toe-out" becaue the Dana 44 is a "Wide-Track" axle and the Explorer's chassis is about 2" narrower than the Wide-Track axle's ideal mounting points. The "toe-out" angle however is not severe : about 2" out for the about total 38" length. The two bottom links are attached to the axle via a regular rubber-bushing. The upper "third" link is attached to the axle with the same type of rubber bushing except this one is adjustable - to allow for pinion angle changes.

Onto the front axle itself: As stated, the front "Wide Track" axle is from a Grand Wagoneer (I believe '86). Currently, its geared 5.13 with open differential. I'll throw in a locker in the future after I get this running. The axle was originally running the Wagoneer 6-lug bolt pattern but, because the rear GM 14-bolt is 8-lug, I switched the Dana 44 to 8-lug pattern using parts from a K20 (caliper bracket from a J20). As for the high-steer arms, as stated previously, I decided to go with SkyManufacturing's standard arms with the 10-degree correction angle (arms are on their way from CA).

The steering gear box is out of an IFS Toyota and the entire steering setup will utilize only Chevy TRE's except at the pitman arm.

The front axle will be suspended by Fox 2.5" Nitrogen Air Shocks with 16" of travel.

The rear axle, again as stated before, is a GM 14-bolt with a Detroit locker. Initially, it will be leaf sprung using the Explorer's stock leaf springs (with an AAL and WAR153s). However, I do plan on going 4-link in the near future after the Explorer starts rolling again.

Now onto some newbie pics..


The axle the day it arrived from New Jersey:
axle_pickup.jpg


Before last winter came, I emptied an entire can of Liquid Wrench (and other llubricants) into the differential to soak everything down in preparation for the following spring.
d44_greased.jpg


When spring finally came, the axle was torn down:
d44_housing.jpg


New carrier and new gears. The carrier bearings below are the set-up bearings which have had their inner races grinded down for repetative installation and removal on the carrier while the pinion and ring gear geometry was fine tuned:
d44_carrier.jpg

Spring also brought wheeling weather and I got high-centered on a rock so I decided to SOA the back for fun (the thing on the back is my snowboard and bike rack) and had to get my driveshaft retubed because it popped in half:
soa_backshot.jpg


The caliper brakets from a J20 after sand blasting and a coat of epoxy paint:
d44_caliperbracket_painted.jpg


Flat-top knuckles from a J10 masked off and ready for some epoxy paint:
d44_knuckle_ready_for_paint.jpg


Inner "C"s on the front axle sliced from the axle tubes (and temporarily knocked out about .125" for easier rotation) to set proper caster angle:
inner_c_sliced.jpg


Chevy K20 8-lug rotors .. "Oh my Mr. Obama, what big rotors you have. Why yes Sally, I do have big rotors." :
d44_rotor.jpg


Chevy K20 calipers:
d44_caliper.jpg


And finally for now, the RE SuperFlex joints:
re_joint.jpg


As for tires, right now I have a set of 36" TSL-SX's I bought for cheap from a local individual.


So what's in the future? Well the rest of the link parts are on their way - as well as the high steer arms. The Fox shocks will be purchased in about 2 weeks and the 14-bolt axle will be picked up about 3 weeks to a month after that. The rear axle is the least of my worries so that's the last thing on this Senator's mind.
 



Join the Elite Explorers for $20 each year.
Elite Explorer members see no advertisements, no banner ads, no double underlined links,.
Add an avatar, upload photo attachments, and more!
.








Join the Elite Explorers for $20 each year.
Elite Explorer members see no advertisements, no banner ads, no double underlined links,.
Add an avatar, upload photo attachments, and more!
.

















IZwack

whats the backspacing off thoes wheels you are running?
 












cool, tahts what i figured, i will probably use thoes too, i just scored a 60 rear
 






cool, tahts what i figured, i will probably use thoes too, i just scored a 60 rear
fantastic :D Post pics in your SAS thread cauz they come unpainted so you're going to have to spray them with some color. Oh and they are boxed right after they are cut, so you need to properly clean off the cutting oil and prep the surface for painting.
 






Carnage from the frontal area

overtorqued axle shaft
axleshaft_01.jpg


overtorqued U-joint (or whats left of a U-joint)
axleshaft_02.jpg
 












you ever gonna add this to the SAS registry??hehe..anyways, quick questions..how much of a pain was it to get your speedo to work and do ever you ever take it on the road??if so, hows it ride??
 






Carnage from the frontal area

overtorqued axle shaft
axleshaft_01.jpg


overtorqued U-joint (or whats left of a U-joint)
axleshaft_02.jpg

That thing looks like it seen better day anyway. I one that is on borrowed time, but I have a spare in the truck.;)
 






you ever gonna add this to the SAS registry??hehe..anyways, quick questions..how much of a pain was it to get your speedo to work and do ever you ever take it on the road??if so, hows it ride??
Heh I guess I should put a thread in the registry huh :D

Getting the speedometer to work was a no brainer. I mean it worked the first time I took the vehicle out for a spin around the neighborhood. Yeah it has seen plenty of road and I drove it 350 miles back and forth to Paragon (Hazleton, PA) for its first trail run. I also drive it on the street a few miles every now and then to get gas and when it snows. It rides different depending on the Nitrogen and shock-oil volumes so how it rides on the road depends on how its set up -- which changes every so often. It has riden very stiff before (too much shock oil) and very plush like a baja trophy truck (too much nitrogen), and of course everything else in between.


That thing looks like it seen better day anyway. I one that is on borrowed time, but I have a spare in the truck.;)
Heh fortunately SavageWolf has one for me. But on that note, how would I pull the broken splined piece out? Its still in the axle and Ive given this some thought and cant seem to think of a way to pull the broken little part out.
 






magnet pull out tool, you can get ones that are pretty strong. or pop the carrier out and tack a piece of rod onto it but then I think the backlash? has to get reset.
 






only way i was able to get mine out was to pull the carrier and use a punch thought other side, it was wedged in there pretty good too because the edge where it snapped was buggered and wouldn't allow it to simply slide smooth in the splines.
 






thanks all for the suggestions :D i wont get to it for a few more weeks but thanks again!
 






cool cool..i liked the way you have your suspension linked up..was thinking about doing that..im gonna stay away from coilovers until its a trail only rigs in about a year or two..
 






magnet pull out tool, you can get ones that are pretty strong. or pop the carrier out and tack a piece of rod onto it but then I think the backlash? has to get reset.

If it is broken flush or near flush with the carrier bearings, pull out the carrier and knock the shaft out with a Big Hammer. No need to re-set backlash. Just torque the cap bolts to the right torque and call it good. If you only take our the carrier and don't change carriers or bearings, or shims, nothing changes, no need to reset backlash. Even if you changed carriers, the backlash would probably be right, but it would be worth a check.

I would suggest taking the other shaft out, and the pin and get some long extensions or some tube and see if you can beat it out from the other side. That might work. Is it locked in front? What type o locker?
 






it has an aussie locker in the front.
 






Thanks [again] for the insights Kirby N. :D

And thanks for the quick reply '97 V8. It is indeed an Aussie up front.
 



Join the Elite Explorers for $20 each year.
Elite Explorer members see no advertisements, no banner ads, no double underlined links,.
Add an avatar, upload photo attachments, and more!
.





Then driving it out from the opposite side would work. Take out the Aussies pin and get a big hammer. I guess GREM on RRORC had a big electromagnet contraption for extracting them. Kinda cool, but i think you can get it out with out that!
 






Back
Top