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But according to a study conducted by Mozilla, every major auto brand like Ford, Toyota, BMW, Tesla, Kia, etc., can acquire personal information on race, facial expressions, weight, sexual activity, immigration status, health, genetic info, and where you live through sensors, microphones, cameras, personal devices, car apps, company websites, auto dealerships, and driving habits. These companies can then take this data and share or sell it to third parties in the same manner as many social media outlets. The study also claims that automakers can use your information to create conclusions about each driver’s intelligence, driving ability, personality traits, personal preferences, and so on.


The Results​


As another edition of Mozilla’s *Privacy Not Included research, the study was the result of 600 hours of reading privacy policies, downloading apps, and communicating with brands. Researchers found that of the 25 major global automakers, none of them met the Minimum Security Standards.


The results revealed that major companies like Volkswagen, Toyota, Kia, and Mercedes-Benz collect demographic data on customers’ age and gender, driving behaviors, and sexual behavior. That data can then be used for marketing purposes, product research and development, and be sold to third parties. Analysts believe that by 2030, the car data monetization industry could be estimated to be worth $750 billion.


“Many people think of their car as a private space – somewhere to call your doctor, have a personal conversation with your kid on the way to school, cry your eyes out over a break-up, or drive places you might not want the world to know about,” says *PNI Program Director Jen Caltrider. “But that perception no longer matches reality. All new cars today are privacy nightmares on wheels that collect huge amounts of personal information.”


While none of the brands involved in this study received Mozilla’s Best Of designation, researchers concluded that European automaker Renault as the “least problematic” when it comes customer privacy. They, much like other European brands, are required to comply with the laws of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) regarding personal data that is used, processed, and stored.


“This isn’t the first time Mozilla has uncovered an industry with terrible privacy practices,” says *PNI researcher Misha Rykov. “But cars are unique — their privacy flaws impact not just the driver, but also passengers and sometimes even nearby pedestrians. They can hear you, see you, and track you. Today, sitting in someone’s car is a lot like handing your phone over to the auto manufacturer.”


Additional Findings on Customer Privacy​


  • Major auto manufacturers have their own corresponding mobile apps used to locate your car in a crowded parking lot or start it remotely. But these apps are also a resource to gather personal data, such as global location and biometric info.
  • Many brands were found to be guilty of “privacy washing,” which is the act of pretending to respect and protect customer privacy while doing the exact opposite.
  • Some brands will consider passengers to be “users”, thereby granting them permission to collect personal data. Some will even mention that it is the driver’s responsibility to inform passengers of the vehicle’s privacy policies.
  • Automakers like Hyundai and Kia were found to share personal data with law enforcement and governments based on “formal or informal” requests. Kia says in its policy that they may share personal info under certain circumstances, “if, in our good faith option, such is required or permitted by law.”
 



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I am not surprised by any of this because it has been happening for a long time in other areas. Now that new vehicles are tied into the internet they can easily be tracked, and controlled, if they desire. Think about it. With self driving capability they could run your vehicle off a bridge, into oncoming traffic, etc. I am sure they have built in back doors into the software of the app and the vehicle to collect all kinds of data and do nefarious other things. IMO, every smartphone user should have a Faraday pouch to slip their phone into to keep the snooping to a minimum. If your smartphone is completely isolated then they can't collect any data while it is in this state.
 






None of my cars currently have this nonsense, but I’m sure it’s just a matter of time.
 






My old van has an AM radio with a cassette, no navigation or hands free telephone. There's nothing connected to the Internet, GPS or anything else. I'm sure that these companies use AI software to look for specific things to compile a user profile. Every time I search for something online, I see advertisements for that item for months on many Websites. The utility companies know when I'm sleeping or awake by tracking when I'm using the most amount of power. All of your actions are being tracked & recorded.
 






My old van has an AM radio with a cassette, no navigation or hands free telephone. There's nothing connected to the Internet, GPS or anything else. I'm sure that these companies use AI software to look for specific things to compile a user profile. Every time I search for something online, I see advertisements for that item for months on many Websites. The utility companies know when I'm sleeping or awake by tracking when I'm using the most amount of power. All of your actions are being tracked & recorded.
When it comes to maintaining privacy, that ship sailed a long time ago. Plus, it is hard to take advantage of all the benefits we have today like GPS, email, using search engines etc. without being tracked because it is an integral part of the process. The apps used on phones are mostly free so the app providers needs to make money from developing them and selling data is one of the few ways to cover their expenses. I don't mind the tracking for marketing purposes. I am far more concerned with companies, and especially governments, using this data to coerce people, companies etc. to behave in certain ways and then punish them for not conforming to the expected behavior.
 






they can track my ass I don’t really care! I am always weary of “big brother” because the American way is limited government not more and inside our homes
But that ship has sailed
Even your fridge and televisions are spying on us… I’m over it. My number is published my email is published go ahead and track me down see my habits and use them… it changes my life very little
My grandpa told me “don’t believe anything you see on tv” and I still do not

Remember when they started putting g black boxes in cars, they made a big deal of it… and then that battle slowly went away. Now everyone is tracking everything, I mean I can use my watch to find my earbuds and France just banned certain I phones from emitting too much radiation…where does it end? It is up to me to eliminate these things from my home, chose the right time to and not to use them. There are tools I can use, such as the faraday cage or pouch to stop it. I drive an 88 and a 97, limited tech, but I still have my iPhone w me so… I’m tracked and spied on… but thanks to my vehicle choices at least nobody can hack my rides

We need a new car company that builds old school rides with no tech ;)

Now billboards are whispering at us as we walk past and TVs have cameras in them.. they want to get rid of tik tok because it’s the Chinese government but then our government is in bed with china, so does it really matter who has this huge database of human behavior when it is accessible to everyone for a fee?
I think they dislike tik tok because it is real time real world people sharing info without going through the “proper channels” (or filters!)
Marketing has always studied humans in order to market to them better. Their spy technology is always improving and we invite it into our homes (cars, urban areas, stores, workplace, etx…)
fun times!!!!
 






they can track my ass I don’t really care! I am always weary of “big brother” because the American way is limited government not more and inside our homes
But that ship has sailed
Even your fridge and televisions are spying on us… I’m over it. My number is published my email is published go ahead and track me down see my habits and use them… it changes my life very little
My grandpa told me “don’t believe anything you see on tv” and I still do not

Remember when they started putting g black boxes in cars, they made a big deal of it… and then that battle slowly went away. Now everyone is tracking everything, I mean I can use my watch to find my earbuds and France just banned certain I phones from emitting too much radiation…where does it end?

Now billboards are whispering at us as we walk past and TVs have cameras in them.. they want to get rid of tik tok because it’s the Chinese government but then our government is in bed with china, so does it really matter who has this huge database of human behavior when it is accessible to everyone for a fee?
I think they dislike tik tok because it is real time real world people sharing info without going through the “proper channels” (or filters!)
Marketing has always studied humans in order to market to them better. Their spy technology is always improving and we invite it into our homes (cars, urban areas, stores, workplace, etx…)
fun times!!!!

Years ago Onstar was sued over their technology. They didn't lose the lawsuit because they were spying on car owners, they lost the lawsuit because while they were spying the Onstar system was unavailable to their customers. In other words, when they had the microphone active in the vehicle without the owners knowledge, the owner could not use the Onstar system to call for help. It was a breech of contract that tripped them up.

I'm sure they have re-engineered that so they can spy while still allowing the end user to call for help. :(
 






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