4.0 V6 birthplace

[joachimf]

Dear @all,

when I went to my picture files yesterday I found a shot of my '67 Mustang in front of Eisenwerke Bruehl in Germany, the place where the 4.0 blocks were cast:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/lnkf/ss6-1.jpg

 

[BigRondo]

That is one nice stang!!!

 

[Rick]

Were the Cologne V6s used in any applications over there that we don't get over here?? I've always wondered if there were any other transmissions which would work behind these things...

 

[joachimf]

@Rick,

100% of the 4.0 production has ben sent to the US ever since for Explorer, Sport Trac, Mustang and Ranger production.

The only other tranny I know about is the Mazda M5OD that fits the 4.0. Was the tranny that came with the M/T Explorers up to 2003.

 

[Stic-o]

@Rick,

100% of the 4.0 production has ben sent to the US ever since for Explorer, Sport Trac, Mustang and Ranger production.

The only other tranny I know about is the Mazda M5OD that fits the 4.0. Was the tranny that came with the M/T Explorers up to 2003.

A4LD, and the variant of it after '95. Variants of it are still used today.

 

[Rick]

Too bad... I hoped there may have been something better out there.

 

[Carguy3J]

Were the Cologne V6s used in any applications over there that we don't get over here?? I've always wondered if there were any other transmissions which would work behind these things...

Too bad... I hoped there may have been something better out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6

I like the Cosworth 2.9L, just for the visual effect alone. I wonder if a similar DOHC treatment could be done to the SOHC 4.0L?

 

[IZwack]

100% of the 4.0 production has ben sent to the US ever since for Explorer, Sport Trac, Mustang and Ranger production.

Business politics and foreign trade policies aside, this makes me wonder if the business process could be further improved (and cost reduced) by producing the blocks within the continental US instead.

Oh and also, I thought the 4L Cologne was also used by Land Rover?

 

[Carguy3J]

Business politics and foreign trade policies aside, this makes me wonder if the business process could be further improved (and cost reduced) by producing the blocks within the continental US instead.

Oh and also, I thought the 4L Cologne was also used by Land Rover?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6

According to the article, it was used in the Land Rover LR3.

 

[NHarris]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6

I like the Cosworth 2.9L, just for the visual effect alone. I wonder if a similar DOHC treatment could be done to the SOHC 4.0L?

From the looks of this....yes. Although the article is for a OHV to DOHC 4.0 OHV into 4.0 24v COSWORTH

As the topic. It's based upon a 93:ish 4.0 bottom end and the rest of the bits are from a 2.9i 24v BOB cosworth. Just missing a few bits to be able to put it all togehter. But here are a few old pics from how a few bits fit together.

 

[rhauf]

^^^ that's one wild looking engine.. those heads are gigantic!

 

[Rick]

So the 4.0 was used in LR3 Landrovers... Does that mean there is a ZF tranny that will fit our bellhousing bolt pattern? I dug around a bit, but couldn't find a match for the tranny that went behind a LR's 4.0 Cologne engine.

 

[NHarris]

So the 4.0 was used in LR3 Landrovers... Does that mean there is a ZF tranny that will fit our bellhousing bolt pattern? I dug around a bit, but couldn't find a match for the tranny that went behind a LR's 4.0 Cologne engine.

Hmm....let me see if I can help figure out what transmission was used in the land rover LR3. I've done a light research and they keep it "hidden". Just says a 6-speed manual or 6-speed auto... Reading the Land Rover Forums their transmissions seem to be another sealed unit that "never needs the fluid changed".

EDIT: LR3 4.0L Transmission
After doing about 45 mins of research here's what I came up with. I was unable to locate any specs on the transmission or any part numbers. This has to be the most difficult transmission to find anything for.

 

[Carguy3J]

So the 4.0 was used in LR3 Landrovers... Does that mean there is a ZF tranny that will fit our bellhousing bolt pattern? I dug around a bit, but couldn't find a match for the tranny that went behind a LR's 4.0 Cologne engine.

Hmm....let me see if I can help figure out what transmission was used in the land rover LR3. I've done a light research and they keep it "hidden". Just says a 6-speed manual or 6-speed auto... Reading the Land Rover Forums their transmissions seem to be another sealed unit that "never needs the fluid changed".

EDIT: LR3 4.0L Transmission
After doing about 45 mins of research here's what I came up with. I was unable to locate any specs on the transmission or any part numbers. This has to be the most difficult transmission to find anything for.

It's a ZF 6HP26 6-spd auto.
You don't want it. Just from what I've found in the last couple hours, it's a nightmare, full of problems. Even if you did want it, you can't have it. It employs something called a Mechatronics unit, which is a TCM in/attached to/part of the valve body. It is programmed, at the ZF factory to ONLY work in the exact make/model it is intended for, and it is very dependent on data sent to it over the CAN bus, from the other sensors on the vehicle. In short, it is absolutely impossible to make it function outside of the vehicle it was originally intended for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_6HP26_transmission

http://www.europeantransmissions.com/fascination_technologyZF.htm

http://www.jagplanet.com/tips/6hp26

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11299960

http://www.transmissiondigest.com/tech/issuepdfs/TD201009.pdf
(the relevant article is on pg 44, also has a pic of the 6HP26 "valve body"/Mechatronic unit)

http://www.drivewire.com/search/?PN...4966877&Nr=AND(universal:0)&refValue=category

 

[Rick]

Figures... screwed again.