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[97bignslow]

I'm 97 SUV owner


SUVs: SociallyUnconscionableVehicles
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My guess is that, except for a small minority, SUV owners fall into one or more of the following categories:

A. Own a gun
B. Own a large dog
C. Smoke
D. Are bullies
E. Own a "recreational" power boat, snowmobile, etc.

In other words, the owning of an SUV is just "part of the package". By their nature they don't exhibit much compassion for anything which is not "me" or "mine". Their very existence, outside their own home, on most days, in most places, causes an imposition on other people around them. But they fail to see it, and don't give a damn that it does anyway. Unfortunately, for some, it is their goal to be obnoxious. They take great pride in making people uncomfortable, making them move out of the way, whatever.
Everyone else must pay the price.

If the world was made up solely of these people, I suppose it may have already been destroyed. If the world were made up solely of tree-huggers and compassionate people, I suppose it would be here for much longer, but probably without people (survival of the fittest would have seen to our demise long ago).

So our world, with people in it, has a balance which has lasted this long and won't be upset by a few stickers or a few hospitalized tree huggers.

The world, aside from people, is suffering. The damage is escalating and SUVs are a part of it. Some care, some don't. SUVs just make it very obvious, who doesn't care.


97suvowner
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(5/1/01 8:59:04 am)
Reply | Edit you must be kidding
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Are you so enraged by the fact that people actually like these vehicles, or any others with low gas mileage, that you are arrogant enough to think that you know the personalities of these hundreds of thousands of people?

"By their nature they don't exhibit much compassion for anything which is not "me" or "mine". Their very existence, outside their own home, on most days, in most places, causes an imposition on other people"

How pathetic a statement by you! I would love to know which demographic you feel you belong in. I wonder if there is a website devoted to making assumptions about your personality, opinions, likes and dislikes as well.

Eric


notaselfishbastard
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posts: 2
(5/2/01 12:57:02 am)
Reply Re: you must be kidding
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You are absolutely right. These generalizations may have been true 10 years ago when the only people who drove SUVs were gun-toting rednecks who actually did need them (note to rednecks: pick-up trucks have a hell of a lot more space for equipment), but now every person too ignorant to comprehend their impact or too selfish to care is driving them. The only generalization one can make is that these people don't care about anyone but themselves. And you can't argue with that. You may not give a @#%$ but some of us do. I'm not some tree-hugging hippie, but at least I have a @#%$ conscience.


97suvowner
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(5/7/01 1:19:08 pm)
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"The only generalization one can make is that these people don't care about anyone but themselves. And you can't argue with that." Well let me give it a shot...

Let me ask you some honest questions... do you use only recycled products, how do heat and cool your home, what is the exterior finish on your house, do you have asphalt on your driveway (on your roof), do you cut your grass, what do you like to eat, and how do you cook it, do you have a pet, what do you do for a living, how does the company you work for respond to the environment...

My point is, that in every day life there are thousands of conscious decisions we make about how we want to live, and unless you are living in a cave, walking everywhere, not wearing any man made products, and eating only natural fruits and vegetables, you are contributing to the deterioration of our environment. Again, do not be so arrogant to think that you know how we SUV drivers live our lives. All you know is we drive vehicles that do not get 30 miles to the gallon. You don't know why.

Eric


SirMixaLot2k
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(5/7/01 1:33:07 pm)
Reply Its possible to be environmental
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Let me ask you some honest questions... do you use only recycled products, how do heat and cool your home, what is the exterior finish on your house, do you have asphalt on your driveway (on your roof), do you cut your grass, what do you like to eat, and how do you cook it, do you have a pet, what do you do for a living, how does the company you work for respond to the environment...

do you use only recycled products - Its very possible to do so...

how do heat and cool your home - Natural gas is... NATURAL! We've got PLENTY of it buddy.

what is the exterior finish on your house - brick, adobe, wood paneling, its all environmental so I don't see you're argument here...

do you have asphalt on your driveway (on your roof)
Do you think asphalt is a pollutant? The answer is no, most driveways are concrete smart guy. . . most roofs are wood...


do you cut your grass - Electric mowers are good, so are analog non-motored mowers (with spinning blades.)


what do you like to eat - We can eat organic products, vegetables, you name it and its environmental.

and how do you cook it, do you have a pet, what do you do for a living, how does the company you work for respond to the environment...

do you have to cook all food? Pets aren't an environment hazzard so theres no argument here, i'm not a logger or an oil merchant so I don't think theres any problem here, I think you've got a pretty stupid argument buddy.



97suvowner
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(5/9/01 9:25:51 am)
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All of your responses are what you COULD do. Everybody already knows that. The question were, what DO you do?

Did you replace the trees that were destroyed to make your house by planting new ones in your back yard?

By the way, ...

how do heat and cool your home - Natural gas is... NATURAL! We've got PLENTY of it buddy.

...oil is natural too! I'm sure people made the same ignorant comment in the early 20th century about oil "we've got plenty"

Do you think asphalt is a pollutant? Yes, Its a petroleum by-product, how do you think it's made? Were do you think it goes when the roads need to be resurfaced?

You CAN eat organic foods and you CAN use electric lawn mowers and you CAN ride a bike to work, do you?

"most driveways are concrete smart guy. . . most roofs are wood"

Actually most driveways are asphalt from central United States north due to the freeze thaw cycles and cost. Most concrete drive ways are in the south west. And most roofs are definitely NOT wood. Most are asphalt shingles.

If you are going respond please try not to be condescending. People won't take you seriously if your facts are wrong and you come off like an angry school girl.

BUDDY

 

[Goober]

from 97SUV owner

Their very existence, outside their own home, on most days, in most places, causes an imposition on other people around them. But they fail to see it , and don't give a damn that it does anyway.

Could YOU be one of those who fail to see yourself as being one of those people?

My guess is that, except for a small minority, SUV owners fall into one or more of the following categories:

A. Own a gun
B. Own a large dog
C. Smoke
D. Are bullies
E. Own a "recreational" power boat, snowmobile, etc

I don't have a gun, dog, smoke, not a bully or any watercraft. But I have seen plenty of non-SUV owners who fall into some if not all of these catagories.

It must be nice to place your opinions(judge) on others while segregating yourself from the rest of the world. Lucky you, the perfect earth dweller. Whose house wasn't built with the assisstance of any power tools, wood wasn't cut down by macinery, nor processed through a plant...oh, hell, screw this. It would be like talking to a brick anyways.


If ignorance is bliss, this person must be in a constant state of euphoria. *climbing off soapbox*

 

[97bignslow]

that's great stuff

You should join this group and add your comments, I would love to see more Explorations members in there.

By the way, I hope your not confused, whoever posts the thread is listed then a dashed line, and then the comments. I, 97suvowner, didn't write:
"Their very existence, outside their own home, on most days, in most places, causes an imposition on other people around them. But they fail to see it , and don't give a damn that it does anyway."

Eric

 

[aldive]

Wow, it takes all kinds. One should never generalize any grouping of humans; always some good eggs and always some rotton one.

Let me see where I fall in this classification....

A. Own a gun
several - over 50 from shotguns to SMGs

B. Own a large dog
one 120 lb rottie - he is a sissy ( like me )

C. Smoke
never - have never had anything on fire in my mouth
my motto - "smoking cures cancer"

D. Are bullies
naw, see B above

E. Own a "recreational" power boat, snowmobile, etc
I own commercial power boats, does that count? Whats "snow"? I live in the sunshine

Do I get to play now?

Almost forgot....
F Love my mother
G Love my Country
H Love apple pie and grits
I Hate injustice
J Will fight for anyones right to say whatever they want

 

[ACBlessing]

I think the hypocrit, commie, granola freak forgot to notice that he's using a computer (made of processed plastic, silicon, metal and an electrically polluting monitor) to post messages and the last time I checked, puters run on electricity.

I don't even waste time with these types because they're just lost children, looking for some cause, however hypocritical, to latch onto so they can have an identity...kinda like people who kill abortion doctors in the name of life. Trying to change the small minds of these true believers is futile and pointless.

My X is of course, an SUV and it sits higher than my neighbor's Honda Accord and my other neighbor's Caprice Classic, (the one distinction the ganolas seem to target) both of which burn oil. My X, on the other hand is a low-emissions vehicle. Go figure.

 

[ACBlessing]

By the way Jeff....nice freakin truck! If I had more money, I'd buy a second X just to make it like yours and go granola tagging.

-AC

 

[Bill Kemp]

Oh I love it.......
I got a St. Bernard, number of guns, smoke, gas engine for my sailboat. Four out of five isn't bad. I suppose though that to a wimppy, cry baby whiner anybody that may assert themselfs would be considered a bully.
So ...Give me 5 for 5...

 

[MyExp]

I just want to say that I am glad that I belong to a board with members who beleive in freedom, justice and the AMERICAN way.

America, since its birth, has been the opposite of socialism and communism. How many of our fellow Americans have died for the American beleif of freedom.

It makes me wonder where these people come from and what drugs they used to get there. (Treehuggers) There was a comment about everything being natural and organic. I pose teh question: What has man built that was not originally natural from the earth? I am not sure but I think the answer would be nothing.

Anways, I am glad to be associated with the people on this board based on the responses to the original post.

brian

 

[godalter]

Right On!

Originally posted by MyExp
I pose teh question: What has man built that was not originally natural from the earth? I am not sure but I think the answer would be nothing.

brian

Enough Said!

 

[Ray Lobato]

Geez, I only own a gun and smoke. I guess I'm not even a very good SUV owner. Just ask him who's going to pull him out of the ditch he's in when his politically correct car goes off the road.

 

[Anime]

well see...

something to point out..the tuning does make the diference here.
while a Ford Explorer does say 15-25mpg compared to a small 4cyl compacts 25-45mpg, it MAY use more petro BUT if you did an emissions check on most of our well-tuned X's here youd find they put out less harmful particles than anything close to the average vehicle. Street-legal drag cars/Muscle cars and such fall under this too..sure maybe they use MORE gas but they are maintained so much and run so well they cause very little pollution from what they do burn. When ppl give yu crap about what you drive, ask them whens the last time they did a tune-up to their ride and redid the intake, fuel , and exhaust systems to be more efficient.

 

[ACBlessing]

I'm an American...why aren't you?

I bought my X because knowing all about mileage, gas prices, the fact that I don't go off road much...because it was my CHOICE. And my X is exactly that, a rolling representation of CHOICE that makes me revere, even more, our fallen heros who fought and died for my ability to choose something even as mundane as what vehicle I want.

I won't even diginify these slope-headed, foreign-car buying, big-government socialists by arguing why I deserve my X when they are walking, whining examples of hypocricy personified. Where do you even start? With the jeans they wear, made from Chinese slave labor? How about the pollution they cause driving their chia-pet Kias fifty miles to some granola convention so that they can walk a mile for the environment?

Forget it. The very fact that they're alive, breathing, consuming, destroying the American way precludes they're in the same boat we are...even before they point their crooked, hypocritical fingers at us and cry foul.

If I were a little jobless, commie bum...crying for the government to make all my decisions for me, I guess I'd have the time to whine about everyone else. But I have a job. I work every day and I pay my bills, taxes, X payments and insurance. I'd say I'm pretty damn well qualified to drive whatever the hell I want to.

Because that is my CHOICE and I've earned it.

If I were truly a good little, SUV-hating commie, I'd ride my ratty old bike to my job at the Nike plant near Beijing.

Just preaching to the choire I know, but had to get it out.

By the way: Two percent of Americans can think. Ten percent of Americans think they can think and the rest would rather die than to to think.

 

[PLRBEAR]

That's funny. I smoke, owned a gun once, had a dog once, and have a "recreational" set of golf clubs (he did say "recreational etc."). I did all this when i had my Honda Civic. So, logically speaking (from his logic), if an SUV owner does or has all this, and i did and had all this when i was driving a Honda Civic, then the Honda Civic is an SUV?
Doesn't make sense does it? DON'T GENERALIZE.

 

[MyExp]

because it was my CHOICE. And my X is exactly that, a rolling representation of CHOICE that makes me revere, even more, our fallen heros who fought and died for my ability to choose something

God bless America, sweet land of liberty...sob sob sob

This is what these commie *******s seem to forget. Oh yeah and "land of the free and home of the brave" don't they remember saying the pledge of allegiance in grade school?

I hate the uneducated, dopey people who think communism and socialism works. If Bill Gates got paid for what he does no more than you or me, we probably would not have this board right now to share our patriotic thoughts. We'd all be driving around some government selected cars which are all the same color, size, shape, etc., living in some tiny box of a house which is no different than anyone else.

I would not be graduating from college next week if did not expect to get better rewards for my education and hard work than some guy working at McDonalds that can't even get an order right. This is what makes America great, you can come from humble beginings and rise to be whatever you choose to be. That is the American dream.

Sorry its so long but I get real mad when these stupids start ranting and raving because some idiots in Washington agrees and want to take more of our money, rights and freedoms away. We should stand up and FIGHT!!!

Brian

 

[Haxaw]

Ignorance, pure ignorance!

Well lets see, I own three labrador retrievers, have many guns in the house including three handguns (Oh no thats a crime in itself). The right to bear arms have they heard of the constitution. We have a boat in the family thats for recreation (29ft Sea ray with a 454 that gets about 1.6mpg), and yes I have smoked and these are the same people that love to live in this country but would be the first draft dodgers running to Mexico and Canada if there was ever a war. yelling please defend us, what a bunch of crap.
The whole guns thing and no hunting it hurts the environment is bull. When you buy a hunting permit every year (about $50) the money goes to environmental conservation. A percentage of gun prices goes back to the environment. I live in Northeastern New York and the deer population is so bad that there are accidents everywhere. These people would rather see the population get so large that the deer starve than have some hunter that respects and knows the environment eat the meat.
These people ***** about everything but how much have they given back to the environment and I'm sure most of them haven't been out of their cocoon to the real beauty of Nature that most offroaders have seen.
There are always gonna be ignorant people in the world but I guess they are just there to entertain us. Survival of the fittest right. Where would these people fall in Darwin's evolutionary tree, probably still picking bugs off each other like the other apes.

 

[kvo]

I just have to put my $0.02 into this.

Being an immigrant, coming to the States at the age of 13, after having to lived with the damn commies for a few years, I know and truly value the freedom of having choices, hell, having freedom, period!!! The soldiers that fought for freedom truly deserve my utmost respect. Whether they agreed with the war or not, they still deserve my respect.

These morons/tree huggers/pig headed idiots that pick on SUV owners ought to be sent to these communist countries to ***** about that and they'll see what will happen to them. Puff, gone in the middle of the night and never to be seen again. They'd be lucky if they are sent to the farm land and used as ox and water buffalo to plow the land, instead of being feed to the animals.

These morons, who have never experienced the loss of freedom would never apprciate what they have here. It's the absolute best country in the world, bar none.

They ought to experience getting in line at 4:00 AM in the morning to buy rotten fish, left over meat, rat infested rice. Want to buy gas for their cars - get in the damn line with everyone else to buy your monthly ration of 5 gallons. Oh, sleeping in late on a weekend, don't think so, get up with everyone of your neighbors to sweep the street at 6:00 AM. Wanna go on vacation, better get a permit for that, don't forget to bribe the local officials!

Urghhhhh, I can't stand these morons...sorry everyone, I had to vent.

 

[DarkFox1]

ya know..this being probablly the 3rd post I've seen of recent days speaking about how other people hate suvs.. and then seeing bill o'reily.. one who I personally really admired up till that point, saying that suv owners should be taxed for having large vehicles.. I can't help but laugh.

Here these people are.. trying to categorize the type of person you are based on the kind of car you drive! what is this? vehiclism? heh

I admit that certain vehicles are driven certain ways.. hondas for instance.. ever see a honda driver who DIDN'T think their car was the fasted thing on 4 wheels? This may be the fact, but my only "recreational" vehicle as these nutjob people who need more to do with their day IS my suv.. and if they don't like the way I drive, or what I drive, they can get off the road, theres a specific condition in this country called "freedom of choice".. just like they have the freedom to oppose suvs, I have the freedom to drive one