supercharged 5.0 true fire 98 explorer sport

jd4242 · December 16, 2013

vroomzoomboom said:
i think there is room, but it would be on the drivers side right at the back of box, so i dont know how good of a reading it would be

Ill piont out the positive, gota be better than before the charger

lol

2000StreetRod · December 17, 2013

IAT location

I'm not familiar with the EE V8 configuration but here is where my IAT sensor is to be located on the Banshee V6 intake manifold.

It's located away from the direct output of the blower into the intercooler (heater core) and above the midpoint between cylinder ports #2 and #3 .

ahodges · December 18, 2013

Where did you get that intake base at? Was there an acutal kit make for those at one point? How much boost are you running and what are your IAT? ^^^

Tim, sounds like the location at the rear will be fine. I ordered my sensor and pigtail yesterday. I found a factory Ford one to use so I'll experiment to see if it works correctly. I went to order the standard sensor and the pigtail was on back order until after the first of the year. I think the Motorcraft one is a little more money but it is what it is, maybe it'll last longer.

I wonder how much difference would be made if we could figure out how to suck air in from outside the engine compartment?

vroomzoomboom · December 18, 2013

Do you have a part number or what it's from Andy?

2000StreetRod · December 18, 2013

R P Caster

ahodges said:
Where did you get that intake base at? Was there an acutal kit make for those at one point? How much boost are you running and what are your IAT? . . .

It's a Ranger kit that Ron Caster (Banshee) modified for an intercooler and I'm in the process of installing. My target boost is 8 psi. It's not running yet so I don't have any IATs.

ahodges said:
I wonder how much difference would be made if we could figure out how to suck air in from outside the engine compartment?

It will make a significant difference accelerating from a stop. My engine compartment temperature easily climbs to 150 deg F when stopped but rapidly decreases toward ambient when my speed exceeds 25 mph.

Dono · December 18, 2013

I love seeing RPCasters art work. Ron has amazing fabrication skills.

It sure would be awesome if all the v8 guys got together and talked Ron in to making a manifold. Problem is, there wouldn't be a huge requirement for them. Sort of a one shot custom deal of a few.

I'm out, as i have a date with a rear mount turbo.

ahodges · December 19, 2013

vroomzoomboom said:
Do you have a part number or what it's from Andy?

My parts guy at the local dealer is really good and I trust him so I don't know either right now. When I get my hands on them I'll let you know.

Don, I agree! I wish there was some sort of kit for the explorer 5.0 (ideally that worked with a whipple

)

jd4242 · December 19, 2013

ahodges said:
My parts guy at the local dealer is really good and I trust him so I don't know either right now. When I get my hands on them I'll let you know.

Don, I agree! I wish there was some sort of kit for the explorer 5.0 (ideally that worked with a whipple )

Thought there was....or maybe it was just mustang. .

ahodges · December 20, 2013

Ok so the Ford sensor has been discontinued that I was going to get and appearantly there aren't any left in the country. I found a sensor and pigtail made by BWD that should work. Sensor part # is: WT385P, pigtail is: PT758. Sometime with in the next 2 weeks hopefully I'll get it installed and post back with the results.

vroomzoomboom · April 15, 2014

its been a LOOOOOOOOOOONG winter
other then helping don do a few things to his truck, not much has happen. i didnt even drive evil all that much because it was way to cold, and i found out the hard way the block heater didnt work (so did one battery).
lots of time sitting doing nothing but thinking....actually bugging me. and it was 4pointslow's truck that was bugging me (dont take offense to it either, cause it was more like a inspiration lol).
what bugged me was how fast that thing was (and andy's truck as well, but that is a different animal as well). how the hell did he fit that blower on there! its a SOHC FFS! and a stock one at that. i started thinking if he could put a eaton m112 on there, why cant you fit one on a 5L. then i remembered. mr.boostman (damon, the guy that i bought my EE kit from) went that way, and thats why he pulled the the m90. so i gave him a call, and started asking questions. the timing couldnt have been better for me. because of his misfortune, he had to pull the top end off his motor. i asked for some pictures of the mount that he got. not only did he come threw with that, but also some measurements as well. then the gears really started turning.....hard core.
guess what evils newest part will be

thats right. its sitting here on my bench at home now. big BIG thanks to don for his help on doing all the paperwork for me to clear canadain customs.
so when it starts to warm up, i am going to start making a mount bracket, and a intake tube for it using the spare motor i have in the shed (i knew that thing would come in handy one day besides taking up space). i have a good idea what i have to make for it. the tube will be a little tricky because the blower has a oval shape, and the throttle body is round, but i have been building this in my head now for the last 2 months and think i have it figured out.
sorry, anyone that see's this, when i get this all figured out, and on the truck, the EE set up has been spoken for already by a person that shale remain nameless at this point in time lol. BUT, for all us 5L guys, if i can do this kit without to much pain, i am going to make a few extra ones that will fit on the 5L's and sell them, but a very limited amount.
stay tuned!

2000StreetRod · April 15, 2014

The mods never end

Your project sounds exciting and interesting. Do you plan on utilizing an intercooler? High IATs seem to be a significant power limiter for boosted engines.

blueka · April 15, 2014

He lives in Canada, IAT never reaches above -40c

Si

ahodges · April 15, 2014

NICE!! So many questions, where do I begin??

First, are you still going to AFN? If so, you must be planning on running the M90 for this year.
Second, How much boost do you expect to get? You were maxing out at ~8psi before right?
Intercooler??? If so, that would make me very interested in what you come up with. I feel that your set up as well as mine is very limited by our IAT's.
How many liter is that M112 again?

ahodges · April 15, 2014

By the way, 4pointslow is the reason I swapped my rear end and went to a 4:11 gear ratio. I'm still blown away thinking about that picture with the front wheel off the ground, I don't care if the suspension isn't set up right that is still impressive.

Dono · April 15, 2014

Id say an intercooler incorporated in to the intake manifold would be a fantastic idea.

Sooo....When's the hood cutting party? I just cant see you packing the M112 and an intercooler in there without ending up above that magic line.

vroomzoomboom · April 16, 2014

2000StreetRod said:
Do you plan on utilizing an intercooler?

i want to, but i know i would have to get a custom core made up, and at this moment i dont have any final measurements

blueka said:
He lives in Canada, IAT never reaches above -40c

sad truth is......

ahodges said:
NICE!! So many questions, where do I begin??

First, are you still going to AFN? If so, you must be planning on running the M90 for this year.
Second, How much boost do you expect to get? You were maxing out at ~8psi before right?
Intercooler??? If so, that would make me very interested in what you come up with. I feel that your set up as well as mine is very limited by our IAT's.
How many liter is that M112 again?

not sure yet if i am going or not. it will be down to the wire andy. if i do get there, yep, it will be with the m90 on. dont want to try and rush to get it on, and not work any bugs out it may give me, or have it blow up on me in the middle of nowhere. as for boost, 4point was telling me he is getting about 12 with his on the smallest pulley you can get before shaving the snout (i think it was a 2.7 and he has a intercooler). this one came with a 2.8 pulley. as for running a cooler, i will have to see what height it ends up being. i qwickly took a tape measure to both the m90, and the m112, and the m112 sits about a inch higher already. if i can tuck it in with out cutting my nice flamed hood, its game on. otherwise i will have to make a hood, and i dont really want to do that. nor are there a lot of people i would think wanting to cut up their hood, buts thats my opinion. and yes, when its cool out, i max at 10psi, warm around 8 with the sewing thimble pulley. and i am not sure how many liter a m112 is.

ahodges said:
By the way, 4pointslow is the reason I swapped my rear end and went to a 4:11 gear ratio. I'm still blown away thinking about that picture with the front wheel off the ground, I don't care if the suspension isn't set up right that is still impressive.

i know right? i think that picture is going to end up costing you and i a dump truck full of money, lol!

Dono said:
Id say an intercooler incorporated in to the intake manifold would be a fantastic idea.

Sooo....When's the hood cutting party? I just cant see you packing the M112 and an intercooler in there without ending up above that magic line.

i might be able to get a cooler in there. maybe. NOOOOOOOO cutting of the hood party...or at least the flamed one. i have a 99, and a 97 hood (the 99 was the one i was going to use for your truck) sitting in the shed right now, as well as a 07 ranger hood that i will use if i have to carve up a hood. the one thats on there now, if i have to make another hood, that one will end up being wall art. lol

2000StreetRod · April 16, 2014

Blower displacement

ahodges said:
. . . How many liter is that M112 again?

The M90 designation is for 90 cubic inches of displacement per blower revolution. 90 cubic inches = 1475 cubic centimeters or 1.475 liters. The M112 has 112 cubic inches or 1.835 liters

1.475/4.0 = 37% for the SOHC V6. 1.835/5.0 = 37% for the OHV V8

I think the M112 on the V8 is comparable to the M90 on the V6. The advantage of the M112 on the V6 over the M90 is that equal boost is achieved at lower blower speeds potentially reducing the IAT. The same should be true for the M90 vs the M112 on the V8.

Dono · April 16, 2014

I agree, once these blowers go out of their efficiency range they really heat the air bad.

With a bit of luck, the M112 will run cooler than the M90 in the boost ranges we are looking at. We all do agree that an intercooler is best case scenario.

Tim, if you want to try to lift your front tires, you will need that intercooler.

Im sure you could make it happen, but it does increase complexity of the intake (And possibly height).

CDW6212R · April 16, 2014

Cool new ideas Tim, go, go, go.

What kind of space might there be up to the hood, with the M112 mounted "normally?"

You might consider doing an intercooler system like the Kenne Bell guys do with the Mustangs. They divide the outlet plenum from the blower, to divert the air charge to pipes that go to an IC, and back to the other side of the blower outlet plenum.

Maybe with the M112, the plenum underneath could be made taller by the available space, and block off half of it horizontally(blower outlet(front)). Then run the air charge out the side of that plenum, to an IC(either a front mounted air to air unit, or to a water to air(in a box)), and back to the back half of the plenum above the intake. Some variation of that might fit.

vroomzoomboom · April 16, 2014

the innercooler (m90) i got from don was 2 inches high. when i put it on, the hood would not close. i think the total height with cooler and intake plenum for the m90 was around 4 1/2 inches. now if i measure the m112, it sits about a inch higher. the measurement from the pictures i have, mr.boostmans plenum is 4 1/2 inches high. however, that one was made, if i am not wrong, for a fox body mustang. well, what does that motor have that ours doesnt (insert jeopardy theme here)? a distributor. i think when that box was made, it was made to clear that. with that said, i think i can drop it down 2 inches. i think. i tried calling a few places today to see if they could make a innercooler core, and didnt have much luck, but i also didnt call a lot of places either. i would like to put one in there however. another thing i was trying to figure out is what is used to keep it from flopping around inside the plenum? just plane old weather strip, or felt?

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