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Crunchy Frog, that is a great thing to look for.
TPS's seem to fail often on the 5.0L.
1997XLTRollover,
If your scan tool is accurate, those data readings prove that there is no vacuum leak and the truck is not running lean. Reading spark plugs was a more perfect science on older vehicles(back to carb stuff). With fuel injection, the changing times and government pressuring the manufacturers, vehicles have been running leaner on purpose to lower emissions and get better fuel mileage.
When I first started doing state inspection tests, we used a two gas analyzer. The two gases were HC's and CO. HC's are unburnt gas (raw fuel). CO is the mixture indicator. On some very old cars they were allowed like 9% CO, the cars I was doing inspections on were only allowed 1.2%. Now the last spec I saw was .5%.
Ford has also introduced something called multi strike ignition strategy, or sometimes called repetitive mode. What happens is that the spark for each cylinder is tripled up to about 1250-1300 rpms, then it goes back to one spark. They do that to run leaner mixtures at Idle, leaner mixtures run like crap at Idle because they cause lean misfires. Having three sparks instead of 1 allows the leaner mixtures to be burnt without misfiring. After 1250-1300 the mixture is richened up because we are not at Idle any more, so the multiple sparks are not needed. Thinking that this is where you feel the truck running rough makes you consider that it may be a spark issue. Possibly.
I am a little confused because of this:
"if I didn't tell you the truck was down on power and running lean, you'd never know there was a thing wrong with it. Drivability wise it's fine, no issues. Starts ok, runs ok drives ok and even pulls all the way to redline ok."
and this:
"The engine runs noticeably rough at 1300 rpm in neutral. Every so often I feel like the idle is worse then it normally is, but it still seems off daily, but does not run as rough as the truck does at 1300. Soon as I pass 1300 it smooths out."
So does it only run rough in neutral? It is not normal to run an engine at 1300 in neutral. We normally Idle in neutral, and step on the gas pedal in gear. How does it feel at 1300 in drive going down the road? Fine, no issues, runs and drives ok? Also It Idles rough?
So lets take a step back. The truck was running lean, the high fuel trims showed that. You fixed that problem, no more vacuum leak. Your fuel trims look like a brand new running vehicle, they make me jealous. Fuel trims are good, no lean problem. Don't put anymore concern into what the spark plug reading looked like until you have 5,000 miles on them. Even then, vehicles today run leaner then they ever did.
You still have poor fuel mileage, there are many things that can cause that. here are some.
Anything that causes a running problem.(very broad answer, I know, not helpful)
Stuck open thermostat
Bad fan clutch (viscous fan clutch)
Tire pressure
Added weight
Airflow restrictions like a roof rack or cargo carrier
Binding brakes/parking brake
Non functional lock up torque converter
Dirty air filter
High ethanol content, with E10-15 you could experience a 25% decrease in fuel mileage.
Also, your dashboard is going crazy, fuel gauge, check engine light etc. Maybe your instrument cluster is failing? Isn't the odometer in the instrument cluster? There are posts on here about the odometer intermittently not working, that would cause an appearance of poor fuel mileage.
On the forescan I see misfire monitor = yes, that is supposed to mean that the monitor is ready to test the engine. The other one that says misfire = no, means there is no misfire. I don't know why you said the scan tool says there is a misfire, it doesn't in the pictures.
Vacuum line to brake booster, can you post a picture of this vacuum line where you were testing it and seeing the fluctuations?
Vacuum should be approximately 17-22 inches HG, at Idle, was it on the other vacuum lines?
Vacuum in the crankcase is normal when you plug the fresh air side and the pcv valve is still sucking into the crank case. If you pull the PCV valve out and have the fresh air side blocked off and you then find vacuum in the crankcase then you have a vacuum leak under your intake manifold. It would be a lower intake gasket damaged on the bottom.
Did you fix the vacuum leak? looking the fuel trims I would think you did, they look perfect.
maybe what you are feeling is a vibration from the engine/driveline, not a misfire?
The check engine light coming on and off with no codes is making me think loose connection some where. On older bronco's there was a ground for the PCM that had its own connector near the battery, they would go bad and cause that symptom. I don't think the explorers had that problem or that connector. Maybe check the PCM connector, make sure that 10mm bolt is tight that goes through the PCM connector into the PCM. Don't strip it though, the threads look like brass or something weak.
Sorry again for all this typing. If we focus on one thing at a time it might be easier. In diagnostics you test components in systems to rule them out until you find one that fails its test. For instance you did a compression test and compared it to another known good vehicle with exactly the same results, that rules out compression (as long as the test equipment is good and the proper steps were followed). The Fuel trims are perfect so the A/F is good now. Time to move on to other systems if there is still a problem. Try to fix what you know is bad first, exhaust leak if it is not fixed already. Troubleshoot the gauge/charging system problems too. And by all means take a break and work on something else, if the truck is not in danger of leaving you stuck somewhere.
Crunchy Frog, that is a great thing to look for.
TPS's seem to fail often on the 5.0L.
1997XLTRollover,
If your scan tool is accurate, those data readings prove that there is no vacuum leak and the truck is not running lean. Reading spark plugs was a more perfect science on older vehicles(back to carb stuff). With fuel injection, the changing times and government pressuring the manufacturers, vehicles have been running leaner on purpose to lower emissions and get better fuel mileage.
When I first started doing state inspection tests, we used a two gas analyzer. The two gases were HC's and CO. HC's are unburnt gas (raw fuel). CO is the mixture indicator. On some very old cars they were allowed like 9% CO, the cars I was doing inspections on were only allowed 1.2%. Now the last spec I saw was .5%.
Ford has also introduced something called multi strike ignition strategy, or sometimes called repetitive mode. What happens is that the spark for each cylinder is tripled up to about 1250-1300 rpms, then it goes back to one spark. They do that to run leaner mixtures at Idle, leaner mixtures run like crap at Idle because they cause lean misfires. Having three sparks instead of 1 allows the leaner mixtures to be burnt without misfiring. After 1250-1300 the mixture is richened up because we are not at Idle any more, so the multiple sparks are not needed. Thinking that this is where you feel the truck running rough makes you consider that it may be a spark issue. Possibly.
I am a little confused because of this:
"if I didn't tell you the truck was down on power and running lean, you'd never know there was a thing wrong with it. Drivability wise it's fine, no issues. Starts ok, runs ok drives ok and even pulls all the way to redline ok."
and this:
"The engine runs noticeably rough at 1300 rpm in neutral. Every so often I feel like the idle is worse then it normally is, but it still seems off daily, but does not run as rough as the truck does at 1300. Soon as I pass 1300 it smooths out."
So does it only run rough in neutral? It is not normal to run an engine at 1300 in neutral. We normally Idle in neutral, and step on the gas pedal in gear. How does it feel at 1300 in drive going down the road? Fine, no issues, runs and drives ok? Also It Idles rough?
So lets take a step back. The truck was running lean, the high fuel trims showed that. You fixed that problem, no more vacuum leak. Your fuel trims look like a brand new running vehicle, they make me jealous. Fuel trims are good, no lean problem. Don't put anymore concern into what the spark plug reading looked like until you have 5,000 miles on them. Even then, vehicles today run leaner then they ever did.
You still have poor fuel mileage, there are many things that can cause that. here are some.
Anything that causes a running problem.(very broad answer, I know, not helpful)
Stuck open thermostat
Bad fan clutch (viscous fan clutch)
Tire pressure
Added weight
Airflow restrictions like a roof rack or cargo carrier
Binding brakes/parking brake
Non functional lock up torque converter
Dirty air filter
High ethanol content, with E10-15 you could experience a 25% decrease in fuel mileage.
Also, your dashboard is going crazy, fuel gauge, check engine light etc. Maybe your instrument cluster is failing? Isn't the odometer in the instrument cluster? There are posts on here about the odometer intermittently not working, that would cause an appearance of poor fuel mileage.
On the forescan I see misfire monitor = yes, that is supposed to mean that the monitor is ready to test the engine. The other one that says misfire = no, means there is no misfire. I don't know why you said the scan tool says there is a misfire, it doesn't in the pictures.
Vacuum line to brake booster, can you post a picture of this vacuum line where you were testing it and seeing the fluctuations?
Vacuum should be approximately 17-22 inches HG, at Idle, was it on the other vacuum lines?
Vacuum in the crankcase is normal when you plug the fresh air side and the pcv valve is still sucking into the crank case. If you pull the PCV valve out and have the fresh air side blocked off and you then find vacuum in the crankcase then you have a vacuum leak under your intake manifold. It would be a lower intake gasket damaged on the bottom.
Did you fix the vacuum leak? looking the fuel trims I would think you did, they look perfect.
maybe what you are feeling is a vibration from the engine/driveline, not a misfire?
The check engine light coming on and off with no codes is making me think loose connection some where. On older bronco's there was a ground for the PCM that had its own connector near the battery, they would go bad and cause that symptom. I don't think the explorers had that problem or that connector. Maybe check the PCM connector, make sure that 10mm bolt is tight that goes through the PCM connector into the PCM. Don't strip it though, the threads look like brass or something weak.
Sorry again for all this typing. If we focus on one thing at a time it might be easier. In diagnostics you test components in systems to rule them out until you find one that fails its test. For instance you did a compression test and compared it to another known good vehicle with exactly the same results, that rules out compression (as long as the test equipment is good and the proper steps were followed). The Fuel trims are perfect so the A/F is good now. Time to move on to other systems if there is still a problem. Try to fix what you know is bad first, exhaust leak if it is not fixed already. Troubleshoot the gauge/charging system problems too. And by all means take a break and work on something else, if the truck is not in danger of leaving you stuck somewhere.