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Joshua Tree N.P./Old Dale Mining Road Trip Report

Ken Cooke

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'03 Rubicon - Tomb Raider
Friday Night: Ron Shah [Exploder] calls me to ask if I'll be joining the guys at Casino Morongo for some gambling, and offers a weather report...He says it'll be "warm with no rain to speak of!" With most of Southern Ca. soaked w/rain clouds sticking it us, I had my concerns of the High Desert getting soaked too, and then I went to bed...

Saturday: I left home at 7:15 a.m. in Riverside, picked up the digital camera at Desert Dan's house in Palm Springs, and then, made it up to the Cottonwood Visitors Center in Joshua Tree by 9:30. The crew wasn't there, so I headed towards the spot they said they would crash out for the night. I met these guys midway to the trail - 3 tricked out SUVs with lights, tires, and two with factory lockers were heading my way. So, I flashed my brights a couple of times and pulled over. Sean was driving (in the Explorer) with his buddy Nick, another guy Steve was driving (his 4 Runner) with Phil (I think), and John was driving (his Montero) with another guy - I forgot the name. Anyway, we shook hands, and immediately headed towards Black Eagle Mine Trail.

On Black Eagle Mine Trail, there were several bypasses that we took to see how far we could push things. Sean decided to drive to the section of trail blocked by a nasty boulder in the trail. After parking at the trail blockage, another tourist in a stock Geo Sidekick pulled up from behind. With beer on his breath, he decided to single-handedly move the boulder himself!:eek: It didn't work. So, I offered a different plan. How about drive up the wash? This plan didn't pan out. The boulders were about the sizes of the tires we were running (33" for Josh and I), and after smelling plenty of burnt clutch, we decided otherwise. Maybe a trail rig with 36" meats, double-low transfer case, and lockers front and rear would do fine, but we just weren't successful in the wash at this time. So, we turned the group around, and headed for this old mine, with an old single-wide trailer that was ripped apart by the elements and time. We stopped for lunch here, and after eating potato chips and peanut butter, we decided to hit the trail again. On the way in, Josh hit this nasty v-notch section that he straddled perfectly before dropping down another 5 or 6 feet. I drove up this, powering my 4.0 liter engine and spinning my 4.56s and BFG All Terrains to the top. I stopped, and spun tire in two separate places. I nearly made it to the edge of the trail, but I was stuck in the notch/ditch with only spinning All-Terrains to get me nowhere. Steve gave me a tug with the towstrap and I was freed. Next, Josh came up from behind, and after getting stuck, but also freeing himself, he made it up the v-notch, and out of the ditch that I got stuck in. This was now clear, that two vehicles with open diffs and similar lift-heights that...Josh's Pro-Comp Mud Terrains beat my BFG All-Terrain's thanks to the aggressive lugs on the mudders being spaced out farther than the All-Terrains! Something to think about...:(

Brooklyn Mine Jeep Trail: After speeding back to the trailhead, we pointed ourselves north, heading towards Brooklyn Mine. By now, we had spent nearly 3 hours in the dirt, and I decided to hit one last trail before calling it a day. Brooklyn Mine is this nice, hidden mine behind a set of hills that the driver must carefully climb in order to reach. The breakover is dramatic with you seeing nothing but hood before driving down what resembles a narrow path down a cliff. I drove up and down the section first and parked near the mining area. Josh, Steve and John all drove down shortly after. We looked around, and an elderly man - perhaps in his early to mid 70s greeted us, and asked if we paid our entrance. We said, "No!" Then, jokingly he said, "Okay, your fines will now be doubled!" A bit of desert humor!;) Heading down the Brooklyn Mine trail, we took moved along in 4-low, dodging boulders, and watching tire placement. Not very difficult, just slow running and just a little bit technical in places. We finished the trail with the hiker and his group that was waiting for him driving off in their group of 4WDs being led by a white Ford Explorer. They were going really, really slow back to Old Dale Road, so, we took an alternate route across a small rock garden and were able to get around them. A huge storm cloud began to drift overhead (it was now 4 p.m.) and it darkened up the sky completely. We were worried about getting rained on, so we pressed on...:redexp:

Old Dale Road to Golden Egg Mine: In relative darkness, we drove back up the Old Dale Road, climbing Old Dale road. This road is steep enough that 4 Lo will be necessary, but a 2WD probably would not make it unless equipped with a rear locker. We found the entrance to Golden Egg. It resembles a dirt road that falls off the side of the cliff, so, 4 low along with our brakes kept things controllable. After passing a section of Golden Egg that was probably where the miners lived (in 1988-1992), we drove even further down the trail along a narrow shelf road that led to the mining operation, tucked in a hide-away canyon. This is where we called it a night.

Sunday Morning: We hit the trail at 10 a.m., and continued through the mountain range until we hit a Truckhaven-like play area we call The Bowl. Everyone took turns driving the various sections of this area, taking lines that were either steep going up, or steep coming down. Then, Josh decided to jump his Explorer on one of the sections of dirt that resembled a dirt ramp. He did this successfully, but afterward, we saw that his Superlift dropdown bracket had a hairline crack along the weld that appeared to grow since being on Black Eagle Mine road. He shook his head, angry that he could not jump his truck and compete with the other guys. So, we decided to gas up our vehicles with the Jerry cans everyone brought (but me), and get ready for the next set of trails. A group of SUVs was coming down from the mountainous area of Old Dale Road, and would likely need to pass our group. Being parked in the middle of the trail, I went to move my truck - without my seatbelt on! I drove forward, entering the bowl, but I hit a section that caused me a nearly lift a tire. So, I backed up, securing my seatbelt. Unfazed, I continued forward, heading directly into a nasty dirt v-notch! My passenger-side front tire skirted above the notch, but my passenger-side rear tire slid into the notch, causing my drivers-side rear tire to go airborne 4'-5'! With a wall of dirt closing in on my passenger-side rear view mirror, I thought, "Great! This is how the run is going to end!" So, I turned into the roll, and gassed it - powering through the notch before landing flat on my side - or worse! The guys all ran down to the center of the bowl where I parked it and jumped out for fresh air. They all congratulated me on the stunt, and wished they could have caught it all on film! Josh and his friend were still fueling his Explorer and missed the whole thing, but because I nearly wiped out, I didn't have to jump my truck along with the other guys - since 1 close call was enough for the day! The guys jumped their Montero and 4 Runner and the Montero caught some killer air. The 4 Runner just barely lifted all 4 tires. Josh was still shaking his head, saying that he would show them all up if his bracket wasn't bent or if he had coilovers installed. We continued on up Old Dale, high-speed running the dirt road as it placed us within 4 miles of Twentynine Palms. From here, we could place calls out on our cell phones and check for voicemail. My promoter up in Portland, Oregon dropped me a message about some DJ work, and Steve tried to call his sweetheart down in San Diego to tell her that he missed her. We turned everyone around, and headed toward the Supply Mine.

Supply Mine/O.K. Mine Trail: I wasn't sure exactly which way to travel up to the Supply Mine. This trail would lead us to Carlysle Mine and the adventure we were expecting. But, if we got stuck on the wrong trail, with Joshs broken drop bracket and 4 vehicles, we'd be really screwed. And, with my near rollover, I wasn't in the mood for taking chances. So, we flipped a coin, and headed instead for O.K. Mine and the O.K. Mine Trail.:) On this trail, traction is the key. The road is lined in brittle rocks that slide you around if traveled too quickly. And with the absence of a guard rail, you'd be an instant part of mining history with your rusting rig down the cliff like the old mining equipment that you'll see if you're brave enough to look. We each made our way safely to the top in 4-low and cruised through the O.K. Mine site. We passed this landmark and continued on to the O.K. Mine trail. Once again, we had a nice, deep chasm below us, with a narrow shelf road/trail to contend with. So, nothing difficult - just careful tire placement - especially in the sections where rocks had fallen into the trail, causing the trail to contain some obstacles. After the shelf road section ends, you are taken down into this mean wash that pushes you around in your seat as you maneuver the rocks and washout sections that keep you on your toes. In one section, your passenger-side is elevated 20 degrees as you have to drive around a set of rocks and boulders that cause you to slide around, causing more loss of stablility, and giving you an even greater sense of being off-camber. So, the higher you are lifted, the bigger thrill you'll get!;) Continuing on, we made it through the end of O.K. Mine Trail. We found the main trail out of Brooklyn Mine that you must take to exit O.K. Mine Trail, and the guys passed me up to do a high-speed run doubling back down Old Dale Road to the Old Dale/Black Eagle Mine split. I finally caught up to the pack after taking my time, and preserving my spindles and alignment job on my frontend.:D

From here, we called it a day. We decided that with my 1/4 of a tank and another 35 miles until we reached Dillon Road for gasoline, that we'd better not chance it. It was 3 p.m., and the guys were all wanting to get back to Orange County, and me back to Riverside. So, we all followed each other to the gas stations on Dillon Road, aired up, gassed up, ate at Carl's, shook hands and headed our separate ways.

Some Useful Notes: I didn't have the gas to make it down Berdoo Canyon Road. If I had brought along a 5 gallon Blitz Can, I'd have been fine. Berdoo Canyon Road takes about 90 minutes to drive from the top of Geology Tour road to the bottom near Dillon Road. This would have dumped us out just 5 miles up the road from the Love's Truckstop with Carl's Jr. Always go to Love's Truckstop. The air is free. The gas is always cheaper than at the Chevron - where you'll waste time on their piece of crap air compressor, airing up your tires.

All I can say is, I had a great time!:)

-Ken
 



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Sounds like a great time. Let's see those pics Ken! Did you guys happen to travel on my "Wrong Way Jeep Trail"?

And if anyone is interested, ORR is doing a day run from Berdoo Canyon to Old Dale, to the Mining District on November 30th.

--Sean
 






Yah that was a great time man! I can't wait till steve kicks down with those pictures.

Btw, you left out the part about the spelunking action in golden egg mine. Good writeup though man.

Another sidenote: The Blitz gas cans from 4wheelparts suck for our explorers. They have this great nozzle that opens when you push down, but the damn nozzle won't fit in the gas tank hole! Soo, you have to hold it open with a pencil, then stick the gas nozzle in so gas doesn't get completely everywhere.

It was a great trip and most all of our equipment worked great. The procomp muds are totally awesome on everything except real deep sand. I was getting a lot of wandering in the real deep sand washes towards 29 palms, especially when in 4wd. They sure make up for their shortcomings in all other types of terrain though. They have great traction on rocks and loose to hard packed dirt. I still haven't tested them out in the mud, but I just heard santiago peak got 16 inches of rain over the weekend, so I think I'm gonna have to definitely check that out.

Ken and I both agree that this trek wouldn't be possible with AWD or 2WD. 4 low is definitely necessary for much of the terrain.
 






I was thinking about heading up to the top os Santiago/Saddle Back myself this week... But, I didn't want to go alone with all the mud. Usually I wait for a little late rin the season for the first cold storm and go up in the snow. Tha is alot more fun!

--Sean
 






Yah we should head up there man. Let me know if you want to go sometime before it dries out.

Funny thing...I was talking about how great my procomp tires worked out, and then I walked out to my truck on my lunch break and the pass. rear tire was flat. There was a big ass gash in the sidewall about five inches long. That was bad enough, but I whipped out the highlift and the damn thing was jammed up from being on the roof rack exposed to the elements. I just poured a little mobil1 I had in my truck onto it, then it worked out. Got the warranty at 4wheelparts for the tires so it'll be like $10 for a new one...still pissed me off though.
 






Gashed sidewall?

Josh,

That's not good. I wonder what you hit? I bet it happened on that wash out of O.K. Mine. There were lots of sharp rocks there. Plus, that was the last trail we hit that day. I wanna see some pictures!

-Ken
 






A scene from Brooklyn Mine

Here is what a section of the historic Brooklyn Mine zone looks like. As I had said, on Saturday morning, the temperature was comfortable, there were no rain clouds to speak of (until around 4 p.m.), and the trails were virtually empty...


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Sorry I Missed It

Sounds like another great time in the high desert! Too bad I missed it. I wanted to go but had other plans. I was thinking you guys would have a muddy run but it sounds like the weather was perfect. Was it overcast or sunny?

Ken, I'm not sure which pic you were trying to post of the Brooklyn Mine area but here is the one of you checking out the trail down to the Brooklyn Mining area.

This picture was from the previous run we did on Oct 12. This was taken from the top of that dramatic breakout that Ken mentioned. Notice the massive pile of reddish dirt in the center of the pic at the bottom of the valley. That is the remains of the gold mining operation after the ore was processed. Just to the right of the dirt pile are numerous round, wooden tanks for processing the ore. The remote location of this mine has helped keep it relatively intact.

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I can't wait to see the pics from this run.
-Mark
 


















Josh,

Thanks for the pictures. They were great to show to friends who are interested in checking out one of our trips. Did you do something about that Superlift bracket? That jump you took on Old Dale didn't help the weld any. And, that ProComp tire. I'm wondering exactly what you scraped to lead to the tire failure. Lukily, it didn't happen while you were on the freeway heading back to O.C. Take care,
-Ken
 






Yah I'm glad that the tire didn't blow out on the way back. I noticed when I was airing up that that tire was a lot lower pressure than the others. I didn't think anything of it though until the next day when it was flat. I got a new one for like 15 bucks or so and its back on the truck.

I purchased the new bracket yesterday, picked it up today and dropped it off at offroad general store for gusseting and reinforcing. I got a great deal on the bracket(35 bucks) but the fab work is quite a bit of a rape @$65/hr. I hope that guy works fast. Should be done by tomorrow and I'll throw it on by this weekend. I'll have to test out the strength of it by airing it out a couple feet, but I think it should be much stronger.

Are you going to post a few of those pics on here? We are still working on our site, but you might be able to see a little bit of the progress already if you go to www.rebel4x4.net

Talk to you later dude
 






Rebel4x4.net

Lots of great photography made its way onto the 'net today. Here's a sample of what took place on Saturday and Sunday of this past weekend...

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I needed the strap thanks in part to my mild All-Terrains and not having a rear locker...

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While Josh had the tires to power himself right up and out of the nasty ditch we found ourselves stuck in...

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We really had a great time out there, and I can't wait to do it again!

-Ken
 






Hey Ken - GREAT PICS! Where is that on the road? Is that Brooklyn or Old Dale area? Also, what was the condition of Berdoo when you guys went down it last? I haven't been down it in several years and we are doing it in a couple weeks. What would you say minimum tire size is? 31s?

Here is the link:
http://www.offroadrangers.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8494

--Sean
 






Hey c'mon now guys!!!? Why don't y'all check out my site(as well as my partner Steve's site) www.rebel4x4.net if you want to see some more of the latest trail pics from last weekends joshua tree run? There are a few pretty badass pics up right now...more every day! Keep in checkin back on it as it is getting better every day. Just click on the picture on the home page of the montero in the air to view the latest pics. Thanks and enjoy!
 












Berdoo Canyon Road Conditions

Spive,

Berdoo Canyon is still pretty chewed up just like it always has been. There is still asphalt in just a few sections, but the majority of this once paved road is dirt, rocks, erosion, and more dirt.
Unfortunately, people have left plenty of garbage there over the past 6 months - more than I've seen lately. There are also shotgun casings in the BLM section of the road - littered everywhere. But once you get out of the B.L.M. section of the road, it is clean, and free of garbage and burned-down pickup carcasses.
There is this great mining town that exists just west of the road - before you get to the Joshua Tree NP section of the road. If you want to check this hidden mining town road out, I can show you this Sunday, November 17th. The road up into this mining town is badly eroded with two entrances. One that leads straight up from Berdoo Canyon and another that zigzags around and will challenge unlocked and 2WD vehicles. I like to take the difficult route since there is a decent 3-wheel decent hill that you can drive down, lift a wheel and continue on uphill!
Once in the town, you will see the foundations of the mining town which features a nice view of Palm Springs and Mt. San Jacinto! Pretty kewl!
Back on the road, there is a nice waterfall that appears harmless, but depending on your trucks departure angle, you may bang and grind the rock section with your bumper. Guys like DB-1 climbed it without any drama whatsoever. My tow hitch banged hard on the rock going up, and everyone heard the noise above their CBs and car stereos!
Just a little past this waterfall is the entrance to BABY ROCKHOUSE CANYON. This has been blocked off, but you can walk up it to judge for yourself what this trail was like for the rigs that could manage climbing the waterfall entrance, and handle the narrow canyon that makes this trail so fascinating. Its closed now, but there's just a few metal bars in sand blocking its entrance, so if you worked fast, you could go in the canyon w/o anyone being the wiser.:D
Then, things get rocky after this section of Berdoo Canyon Road. A narrow section of trail had a nice cave-in that has been driven over many times, and these rocks can now be driven over w/o too much trouble.
What size tire is the minimum? I had some in-laws follow us in a rental Suzuki Grand Vitara, and they didn't damage the rocker panels at all. So, a 30" tire is no problem. For the waterfall section I mentioned, a 31" is the minimum. To get up the zigzag dirt road you will also need 31s with a decent amount of tread on the tires. The same for Old Dale. A fully functioning 4WD drivetrain, and 31s should do fine. There are many, many bypasses that make this more interesting, and I'd be glad to show you these sections on Sunday (tomorrow) or the weekend of the 23rd/24th. Just let me know.

-Ken
 



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