godothunder
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- St. Louis, MO
- Year, Model & Trim Level
- 2001 Ford Explorer Sport
2001 Explorer Sport 4.0L Vin E
Saturday June 27th, CEL comes on driving home from work
Sunday June 28th, Go to work in the morning and check the code (I work at O'Reilly's) with the scanner and it pulls code P0136 Oxygen Sensor Circuit Bank 1 Sensor 2 (see P2270, P2271). I tried to change the sensor but could not get the old one off. My plan was to spend more time on it Wednesday or Thursday on my days off.
Monday June 29th, On my way to work I noticed the CEL was not on anymore.
Tuesday June 30th, Still no CEL
Wednesday July 1, On my way to see my son the CEL all of a sudden starts flashing. No place to pull over, about 300 yards later at a stop light CEL goes off. Light turns green and CEL starts flashing almost immediately after hitting gas pedal. Pulled off the road down the street and shut everything off, jumped out and checked the cats, they were smoking but not glowing. Obviously the engine was also running very rough. Had the thing towed to a shop that I deal with at work but they were closed. Ran down to my store and grabbed the OBD scanner and pulled codes:
P0351 Ignition coil A primary/secondary circuit malfunction
P0301 Cylinder 1 misfire detected
P0305 Cylinder 5 misfire detected
Thursday July 2nd, Shop calls me and says I need a new coil pack, they read those 3 codes. (Duh, I left you a note in the drop box telling you that.) Still had to pay $70 for that.
I went to pick up the vehicle and drive it just down the street to work to change the coil pack. NO CEL on, and the thing ran fine. Put on a house brand coil pack and it ran like crap. Put on a BWD coil pack and it still ran like crap. I should also say that just last month I replaced the plugs with OEM Motorcraft plugs and put on BWD wires.
After testing all 3 coil packs with a multi-meter all 3 had the same exact readings. Original coil pack must be good, right? Reinstalled original coil pack. Spark still VERY weak on cylinders 1 and 5. Cleared codes many times and still comes back with P0351, but no misfire codes. Installed new Crank position sensor. Same results. Unplugged PCM and opened up, looks fine, pins look good, plug looks good. Slathered a bunch of dielectric grease on plug and plugged PCM back in. Same results.
I was pushing on the plug with the engine running and BAM! the thing runs like a champ. Wiggled it again and back to running like crap. Gave the plug a good smack and BAM! runs great again. Test drive around the parking lot and no problems at all and NO CEL on. Left it running for 5 mins while I went into the store, came back out, misfiring again and code P0351 is back. Bad wire in the harness from bank 1 and 5 on the coil pack? That's the only thing I can think of.
I never got a chance to test that theory because I had ordered a new PCM from work but it has to be flashed. Says so in the computer system and also the instructions in the box that it came in. Manager insists that I go swap it out anyway just to see what happens. I proved him wrong, put the thing in and not a damn thing happens. Later on in the day (after the rain quit) I put the old PCM back in and hook up the battery. Go to start the thing and absolutely nothing happens. I noticed that THEFT light is flashing. Let it stop flashing then watched what code it flashed at me 1:5. From what I've researched that means it's not recognizing my transponder key.
Made a call to a steering column shop we deal with at work and he said that I should have been able to put the original PCM back in and it should start right up. That obviously is not happening.
So 2 questions, do I need the old PCM re-flashed and the key re-programmed, or just the key re-programmed? I should point out too that I only have 1 key for it. That's all that came with it when I bought it 3 years ago.
2nd question, what the hell else can be causing the P0351 code?
And a bonus question, is there any way to reset the PATS system without scanner tools and computers? I read that if you leave the battery cables off for 2 days it will reset.
Sorry post is so long but I wanted to give as much info in first post as possible.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Saturday June 27th, CEL comes on driving home from work
Sunday June 28th, Go to work in the morning and check the code (I work at O'Reilly's) with the scanner and it pulls code P0136 Oxygen Sensor Circuit Bank 1 Sensor 2 (see P2270, P2271). I tried to change the sensor but could not get the old one off. My plan was to spend more time on it Wednesday or Thursday on my days off.
Monday June 29th, On my way to work I noticed the CEL was not on anymore.
Tuesday June 30th, Still no CEL
Wednesday July 1, On my way to see my son the CEL all of a sudden starts flashing. No place to pull over, about 300 yards later at a stop light CEL goes off. Light turns green and CEL starts flashing almost immediately after hitting gas pedal. Pulled off the road down the street and shut everything off, jumped out and checked the cats, they were smoking but not glowing. Obviously the engine was also running very rough. Had the thing towed to a shop that I deal with at work but they were closed. Ran down to my store and grabbed the OBD scanner and pulled codes:
P0351 Ignition coil A primary/secondary circuit malfunction
P0301 Cylinder 1 misfire detected
P0305 Cylinder 5 misfire detected
Thursday July 2nd, Shop calls me and says I need a new coil pack, they read those 3 codes. (Duh, I left you a note in the drop box telling you that.) Still had to pay $70 for that.
I went to pick up the vehicle and drive it just down the street to work to change the coil pack. NO CEL on, and the thing ran fine. Put on a house brand coil pack and it ran like crap. Put on a BWD coil pack and it still ran like crap. I should also say that just last month I replaced the plugs with OEM Motorcraft plugs and put on BWD wires.
After testing all 3 coil packs with a multi-meter all 3 had the same exact readings. Original coil pack must be good, right? Reinstalled original coil pack. Spark still VERY weak on cylinders 1 and 5. Cleared codes many times and still comes back with P0351, but no misfire codes. Installed new Crank position sensor. Same results. Unplugged PCM and opened up, looks fine, pins look good, plug looks good. Slathered a bunch of dielectric grease on plug and plugged PCM back in. Same results.
I was pushing on the plug with the engine running and BAM! the thing runs like a champ. Wiggled it again and back to running like crap. Gave the plug a good smack and BAM! runs great again. Test drive around the parking lot and no problems at all and NO CEL on. Left it running for 5 mins while I went into the store, came back out, misfiring again and code P0351 is back. Bad wire in the harness from bank 1 and 5 on the coil pack? That's the only thing I can think of.
I never got a chance to test that theory because I had ordered a new PCM from work but it has to be flashed. Says so in the computer system and also the instructions in the box that it came in. Manager insists that I go swap it out anyway just to see what happens. I proved him wrong, put the thing in and not a damn thing happens. Later on in the day (after the rain quit) I put the old PCM back in and hook up the battery. Go to start the thing and absolutely nothing happens. I noticed that THEFT light is flashing. Let it stop flashing then watched what code it flashed at me 1:5. From what I've researched that means it's not recognizing my transponder key.
Made a call to a steering column shop we deal with at work and he said that I should have been able to put the original PCM back in and it should start right up. That obviously is not happening.
So 2 questions, do I need the old PCM re-flashed and the key re-programmed, or just the key re-programmed? I should point out too that I only have 1 key for it. That's all that came with it when I bought it 3 years ago.
2nd question, what the hell else can be causing the P0351 code?
And a bonus question, is there any way to reset the PATS system without scanner tools and computers? I read that if you leave the battery cables off for 2 days it will reset.
Sorry post is so long but I wanted to give as much info in first post as possible.
Any ideas?
Thanks