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leawood kansas
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93, sport
Why not just rebuild the four liter with some performance goodies from vanir tech. and not spend thousands on swap? That is what I'm going to do. has any one just rebuilt theirs and how much for pull and parts?
 



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Well, I don't know how much power the Vanir mods will get ya, but for me, it comes down to trannies......The a4ld sucks....bottom line.....T-5's are tough, but I dont wanna manual....to get another automatic to my V-6 it would take quite a bit of custom mods...that is why I'm lookin into the 302 swap as we speak....I'm going to do this so I can get a tough trans in and a motor with lots of room for expansion.
Pete
 






Hi Mike, welcome to explorer4x4.com

Nice to see someone from my neck of the woods. I see you live in Leawood, well, I live in Mission, just off I-35 and Lamar. Welcome neighbor.

Hopping up the OHV 4.0 is definitely an option to swapping in a V8. Vanir makes some parts, as well as 4.0 Liter Performance, a division of Central Coast Mustang. I checked into that before deciding to go the 5.0 V8 swap route. My take was that Vanir was very proud of their products (I mean very $$$$$). Of course I think their prices are high because there isn't much competition in 4.0 aftermarket performance parts. The opposite is true in the 5.0 V8 market - there are literally thousands of vendors to choose from, which creates good old competition for your dollar, which in turn is good for the end consumer - you and me. Another plus on the 5.0 side is the old line, there's no replacement for displacement.

You can make some decent HP out of the 4.0 though, with the greatest gain coming from a blower addition. This, along with a new cam, can really wake up the 4.0. There are some options on the intake side, like larger MAS and throttle body. I could be wrong, but I don't think there are any aftermarket intakes available. The stock intake can be massaged a little, but that's rather on the esoteric side, for the money you spend, I don't think you'll see much performance increase. Havn't checked lately, but don't know of any performance heads available, although some work can be done to the stock ones, although I'd probably go with a new, updated casting - the old heads have some inherent weaknesses in their design, and are prone to cracking over time. I know that personally, my driver's side head gave way recently, it had been cracked for some time. Not uncommon for this to happen on older 4.0's with high mileage.

On the exhaust side, there are headers available, and of course, a performance muffler and possibly a high flow cat will net some HP.

If I were to hop up a 4.0, I'd probably save the money that it would take to buy performance pistons, roller rockers, port and polish intake, etc., and put that money into a blower, and a performance cam to go with it. Dollar for dollar, that's where you're going to get the most bang for your buck. BBK sells the Eaton roots style blower, and I believe you can also go the centrifugal route with Powerdyne I think. Talk to Dennis Hilliard of Central Coast Mustang, he's built a blown 4.0 2wd Ranger that cooks - he's taken it into the 12's. Competition Cams makes a couple different grinds for the 4.0, and I think there are few other possibilites out there. Also, with the blower and cam, you'd probably want to upgrade the fuel system with a larger capacity pump and injectors. More air in without adequate fuel doesn't work too well.

Keep in mind that whatever you do to get more power, the stock transmissions in the explorer weren't built to stand very much HP. My stock 5 speed has served me well, and it can be upgraded somewhat (heavy duty clutch, throwout bearing, and slave cylinder, but it still ain't no T-5 or Tremec), but I hear from many that the automatic is definitely a weak link. With my 5.0, I'm going with a performance AOD that can handle all the power I can give it. Don't believe you said which tranny you've got. Something to think about........

When you say you want to hop up the 4.0 instead of spend thousands on the swap, realize that to get substantial gains out of the 4.0, you're going to be spending "thousands", at least 2 or 3. Now this is cheaper than the V8 swap, but it's not exactly pocket change. But then again, I'm not sure of how much HP you're looking for.

Talk to Alec on this site, he just installed a blower. There are some extensive threads covering the installation of his power adder, on the Modified Explorations forum.

You've come to right place to find out everything about Explorers. I'd do as much research as possible before spending any money. Good luck.
 






Dogman--
When are you starting the V-8 swap? I seems from what ya wrote that yer gonna go ahead and do it....
www.corral.net They have an excellent "auction block" with tons of mustang parts
Pete
 






Pete,

Hopefully we'll be starting in two weeks. Getting every part needed together (hopefully) before starting. We're doing this at a speed shop close to me.

The transmission is already here, and the motor will be done very soon. So yes, I'm actually performing the swap. Hopefully we'll be done by this time next month.

I spend quite a bit of time on the corral, great site for Mustang everything. Learned a lot there. I know about their auction block, but I'm buying everything brand new, motor, transmission, wiring, etc., everything.

Let me know if I can help you if you decide to swap, there is LOTS to know. Just ask GOFAST.
 






Like the idea!

I wish I could afford to do that kind of swap, but I just work at a hardware store in Prarie Village, and have been there for about three years. I just want to stick to stock everything, but when the truck hits 100,000 i am going to rebuild trans and motor with some small stuff.
 






Hehe, well....Looks like were gonna be swaping info...the P's just gave me the go ahead and the money to get the trans and motor!
Complete, and I mean everything under the hood except power steering pump....90 5.0 HO with a T-5 ....Gonna sell the T-5 and look for a C-4, C-6 or AOD....I'm worred about reliability of the AOD....I hear they can break easily too
Pete
 






Pete,

A stock AOD is not a bad tranny, although it does have it's share of flaws though. Mine is not stock, it's a custom built AOD from Lentech Automatics in Canada. All they do is build performance AOD's. They have a valve body that includes a modified 1-2-3/4 shift pattern and electric overdrive delete. Mine has a 12" 2000-2200 rpm stall non-locking converter, along with a one piece hardened input shaft. I also added the FRPP Wide Ratio Gearset, which lowers first gear from 2.40 to 2.84, and second from 1.47 to 1.55.

The adapter to mate the AOD with the B/W transfer case was purchased from Advance Adapters, and installed by Lentech.

There are a number of different vendors that build performance AOD's, but after much research, I decided Lentech would be the best choice for me.

Of course you could go with a C4 or C6, you can make them bombproof, but I prefer to have overdrive since I drive on the highway a lot. The Lentech AOD has been proven on the race track with much success.

Advance Adapters even makes an adapter to mate the 5.0 with a Chevy 700R4, but that would be like kissin your sister, or any other type of incestual thing.

Speaking of power steering pumps, AGR makes a nice upgraded pump that flows a gallon more than the stock one for $125. It is a direct replacement. Gloria Zimmerman runs one and is satisfied.

Mike,

Horsepower doesn't come cheap, usually!

You can wake up yours a little with just a K&N air filter and performance exhaust. If you ever need any exhaust work, and don't have a shop already, try Midwest Muffler & Brake on Shawnee Mission Parkway, just west of Metcalf. I've know them for a long time, they do good work, and the owner and one of the mechanics race at I-70 Speedway, so they know performance.
 






Originally posted by DOGMAN

Speaking of power steering pumps, AGR makes a nice upgraded pump that flows a gallon more than the stock one for $125. It is a direct replacement. Gloria Zimmerman runs one and is satisfied.
performance.

Matt Adams has one too, it sucks. Leaks and doesn't even bring its Dollars worth last I heard.
 






Unfortunately my experience with the AGR pump hasn't been too great either. The first pump howled horribly. When I called AGR they said I had air in the lines. After I bled the air out about a million times I determined the pump was somehow introducing air into the system.

AGR sent me a new pump but I haven't gotten around to installing it yet.
 






Thanks for the info on the AGR pump guys. I was just going on what I was told, I have no actual experience myself with their product. Good to know before laying out some cash.
 






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