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Acceleration/deceleration causes different steering issues

Buckshot

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Anyone have an idea why any vehicle (but in this case we are talking about my X of course) would pull to the right under acceleration and pull to the left under deceleration/braking?
 



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Good alignment, just had 4wheel parts do it. But, wouldn't it pull to a particluar side during both acceleration AND deceleration? This does opposite directions.
 












i'm with dman it sounds like something in the steering is awry. As far as I know a loose component there would cause the symptoms described.

George
 






it's normal, oversteer and understeer, all cars do it, just some are more pronounced than others. If you learn how the car/truck responds each way it helps to straighten out the esses, and you can outrun a lot of people who don't know how to use it.
It has to do with traction, weight transfer, and car design
A short explanation (but of 'extreme' case, it's a racing page after all) is available here:

http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Track/highperfdriving.htm

scroll down to the trailing throttle and power on section.

Also, a short discussion here:

http://www.webquad.com/forzabb/index.php?topic=5802.0;prev_next=prev

Haven't read it all yet, so haven't seen where they're going with it.


Most cars are pretty light on it, and 90% (at a guess) of drivers compensate without even realizing they do it, my old B2 was fairly strong on power on oversteer, and I never realized how much I automatically corrected for it untill I was in a race, and missed a shift, and almost went in the ditch, because when I missed the shift I corrected for a force that wasn't there.

If it's abnormal for the truck/car check bushings and spring mounts, alignment and tire pressure.

Like I say, if you get to know how your truck acts under those conditions, you'll be able to get out of some scrapes, and outperform people who don't know how to handle it. say You get in a curve, and need to tighten up or hit the ditch, if your car understeers when braking, you'll know that hitting the brakes wont keep you out of the ditch, and that you should give it a little kick to tighten up the curve.

three things I do when I get a new truck or car, and the reason they're important to me:

learn where the tires are, try to get each tire to a certain 'spot' untill I know what to reference off while in the car, because if I'm out playing and have to miss a big ol rock I can't realy see, or have three inches of clearance for a drop-off, so I know how close I am to it, keeps jack use to a minimum.

Figure out the power on/off under/oversteer how much at how hard on the throttle, because when some moronic fruitcake in a wimpwagon in front of me gets a phone call, or mascara in his/her eye, I want to know what my truck is going to do when I have to avoid him.

figure out exactly how big of a space is NEEDED to drive through, and what it looks like from the drivers seat. just because those DNR trucks are BIGGER than my truck! That's purely hypothetical of course, I'd never be anywhere I'm not supposed to be so I wouldn't have any reason at all to try ditching the dnr.

ken
 






ok....but I'm not steering. I'm going straight. I brake and I yaw to the left, I accelerate and I yaw to the right. Pretty significantly. And now it feels loose when swinging right to left and back, like there is a delay in the occilation of the yaw feel.
 












don't think that's it - the delay is in my yaw, not in the turn. Its like the rear end decides to go the direction the front moves well after I turn. The front end responds just fine.
 












Good alignment, just had 4wheel parts do it.


Haha GOOD??? No not good. I got an alignment from them, two months later i had to replace my front tires because they were worn bad on the side. I didnt even go offroad after the alignment
 






Buckshot said:
ok....but I'm not steering. I'm going straight. I brake and I yaw to the left, I accelerate and I yaw to the right. Pretty significantly. And now it feels loose when swinging right to left and back, like there is a delay in the occilation of the yaw feel.

You don't have to be actively steering for throttle over/understeer to occur, you just have to use the throttle, the same forces are at work, accel/deccel, the forces operate without steering input, just about all production cars do it, some are worse than others, and it's different for fwd, rwd, or 4wd.

check you bushings, front and rear, if a rear bushing is loose, it can kick the axle at an angle and change the steering geometry, (same for the front axle) tires, air pressure, steering linkage and so on all effect it.

I think you said you had an alignment done a short while ago, have you loaded or unloaded the truck since? I mean if you normally have a load in the truck, was it the same load when you had the alignment, or if you always have an empty truck, did you have stuff in the truck?

when you accelerate, it unloads the front end a slight bit, so you're front tires have a different bite, when you deccelerate it loads the front end, and changes the bite again. if you are turning, it tends to load one side more than the other, so in a turn, you're front and rear tires are no longer in a straight line, they're arced, with the inside (unloaded) wheels slightly closer together than the outside tires.

My explorers both do it, the sport was worse because the front springs were sagging, swapped springs with the EB/tow package one, and it's a lot less than it was, but now the EB is real nasty, and since Ive gutted the sport it's changed again.
I personally like, and USE throttle steering ,with my B2, and the sport, (not the EB it's a pig now) I use throttle over/understeer about every day I come home through the S-curves in GR (Michigan) throttle on to get layed up for the curve, and ease off to straighten out and back on to lay up for the next, repeat a couple times and I'm through them. Used to be a whole lot more fun before they straightened them out.

Been looking for more links on the subject, but most are 'racer' oriented,
Here's one that has a list of corrections/causes,

http://www.ffcobra.com/FAQ/handling101.html

Here's another discussion

http://forums.evolutionm.net/archive/index.php/t-40681.html

ken
 






OK, I will agree with check on all of that. At the moment I'm leaning toward something dman said early in this post - uneven braking power. I just swaped all brakes and rotors and did not do a careful enough job on bleeding the brakes because I was in a hurry.

However, thanks to Merc2dogs for the lead on why I pull right on hard acceleration. I'll post an update after this weekend when I re-bleed the brakes....
 






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