Anyone have a "new" NYS inspection?

[BuffaloXplorer]

Anyone have a NEW NYS inspection?

Any of the upstate New Yorkers on the board gotten a "new" NYS inspection done? I say "new" b/c they've recently started emissions testing (not nearly as bad as CA, though). From what i've heard, any '96 or newer will have the computer scanned for EEC deficiencies. I've also been told that with my '96, i'm allowed up to 2 "flags" on the computer - not sure what, exactly, constitutes a "flag".

I've still got a P0402 code (EGR Excessive Flow) that pops on and off every 25 miles or so, even though i replaced the DPFE Sensor & hoses, EVR Solonoid & EGR Valve itself - not sure what else to do.

Due to the fact that i'm not sure it'll pass due to the emissions (and a non-existent parking brake setup), AND b/c it was due to be inspected in NOVEMBER, i'm concerned that i may find that one a$$hole inspector that'll actually scrape the sticker off the vehicle b4 he does the inspection. I've got few "trustworthy" mechanics nearby, none of which do i believe will "overlook" such deficiencies. I may have an out with an Uncle that works for one of the larger Chevy dealers nearby, but not sure he'd be the one under it.

Anyway, let me know what your experience was like.

 

[TPLYNCH]

Don't know anything about having to have emissions done. In Putnam County, only need the safety inspection. Westchester and NYC are safety and emissions. Had mine inspected in August.

 

[Blee1099]

More than likely, like here in Maryland, they will hook your truck up to a OBDII scanner.. If no codes are present, they'll pass you. The last time I went in for a emission inspection, they looked at my truck and were about to hook it up to the treadmill test but after telling them if the truck front end got out of alignment, I will demand compensation, they just let it pass. Apparently in MD, not all emission bays have OBDII ports. Hopefully they have since changed and added OBDII ports in every bay or atleast marked 96+ lanes only.

 

[BuffaloXplorer]

Don't know anything about having to have emissions done. In Putnam County, only need the safety inspection. Westchester and NYC are safety and emissions. Had mine inspected in August.

Well, after a little research (which i guess i could've done before), at the bottom is an exerpt from the NYSDMV inspections page http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/broch/c-50.htm. I believe it took effect in December - the DMV website was also updated in December as well.

After reading it, i guess i'm still left with the question regarding "allowable flags" within the OBD check.

Do you know how long it takes for the computer to completely relearn the values? I'm wondering if i pull the battery cable to clear the codes, and then drive it for 25 miles or so, if the light stays off would it still show an incomplete system check.

"A High Enhanced emissions inspection is required for vehicles registered in the nine county New York Metropolitan Area (NYMA) of Nassau, Suffolk, Rockland, Westchester, and the five counties within New York City, The purpose of this inspection is to measure the amount of hydrocarbons, oxides of nitrogen, and carbon monoxide pollutants coming from the vehicle exhaust. The High Enhanced emissions inspection includes a Simulated driving condition test (on a dynamometer) for gasoline powered vehicles, 1981 model year and newer, that weigh 8,500 pounds or fewer. An "idle emissions test" (engine at idle only) is required for gasoline powered vehicles that weigh more than 8,500 Pounds, are less than 26 model years old, and were manufactured for the 1980 model vear or- older.

A Low Enhanced inspection is required for vehicles registered in counties outside this area. Vehicles registered in counties within the Low Enhanced inspection area are not subject to the sit-simulated driving condition test or the idle emissions test.

In all areas of the state, the High Enhanced and Low Enhanced emissions inspections require a check for the presence and connection of required pollution control devices. The vehicle's gas cap is also checked for its presence, condition, and proper fit. In addition, an "on-board diagnostic" (OBD) check is required for vehicles of model year 1996 and newer."

 

[BuffaloXplorer]

Very interesting info - my uncle explained the waver a bit - this found from http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/vehsafe.htm#einspect - Also, it goes on to state that this inspection format was to be in place at all upstate inspection stations by Dec. 1, 2004 - the NYMA will be in effect by 4/1/05

"A vehicle must pass the emissions inspection test to receive an inspection sticker. The failure of the vehicle to pass the test can prevent the registration of the vehicle. You must have the vehicle repaired to meet the standards and pass a reinspection. If the vehicle does not pass a reinspection after major repairs are made, the DMV can issue a one-year waiver. To qualify for a waiver, the cost of the repairs cannot be less than $450. The maximum amount of the repair cost that qualifies for a waiver is adjusted annually with the Consumer Price Index."

If your vehicle failed the emissions inspection within the year before the date of the registration renewal, you cannot renew the vehicle registration. Inspection stations electronically send a record of all emissions inspections to the DMV. The DMV must have a record that your vehicle passed an emissions inspection during the previous year. Keep the receipt of your emissions inspection sticker to prove that the vehicle was inspected.

 

[BuffaloXplorer]

Well, i talked to the mechanic that i go to for fixes that are out of my area of "expertise" (aka semi-general automotive knowledge & repairs) and he said that the state won't allow any deviation from what's expected of a 96+. He also said that if the CEL stays off for an extended period of time (40+ miles), immediately bring it in b/c the computer will have relearned by then and it should clear the inspection.

 

[cucumber1949]

My experience - here in Ohio several counties require emissions testing, once every two years.

Two years ago they used a tailpipe probe and ran the engine at 2500 RPM because they can't use a dyno on AWD. No OBDII port check. Car passed easily.

I have a Scangauge so this time around I checked for codes or 'not readys' ahead of time - there were none so I was pretty sure of a pass on the tailpipe check this year.

Surprise this time around - no tailpipe or fast idle test. They just plugged their unit into the OBDII port and checked for codes, then pressure checked the fuel cap. That was it. Took 90 seconds and $20. Car passed again without problems.

I think this is an exploitable hole in the emissions check procedure. I drive with a VERY light foot (to improve mileage) and my vehicle throws an emissions code about every 6000 miles. The Scanguage can reset the code and then the vehicle eventually resets the not ready condition after a short period of driving. Apparently the light use of the throttle causes some type of ash buildup in one or the other converter and running the car hard for a few minutes cleans this up so i'm told - anyway it seems to work. Next time the emissions check is due, I'll check for any codes or not readys ahead of time and reset them for a guaranteed pass. Silly emissions checks are now easy to beat unless your vehicle has serious issues.

 

[BuffaloXplorer]

Thanks for your input.

Well, i was not able to fix the CEL issue but was able to get it "inspected." Between the CEL, a non-existent parking brake setup, and a busted lug/stud on one of the wheels, i couldn't afford to take it somewhere and have it "impounded" until i could afford to pay to fix it. I've got to get it inspected again b4 i renew my registration in November, so I've got 9 months to deal with the issue.

 

[TWolf]

Lets see, to pass inspection in Montana. Nothing. And I hope it stays that way. I don't know how you folks can live with all those restrictions. The only one I know of here is if your vehiclie has a catalytic convertor, it must stay on the rig. If you put a new exhaust on it by yourself, you don't have to put it back on. If by a dealer, then they must put it back on. Then you can remove it and put in a stright pipe. I do wish though that the vehiclies that smoke so bad would not be allowed on the road until fixed. We do have alot of them that the smoke takes about 10 minutes to clear the air.

But with the way things are going, I expect Montana to have to do the same thing soon.