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I do like that one, I'll have to see what's available around here tho. Best get to it, because with my luck I won't have any codes to read until after they become illegal.

I'd like to get it around $150 or less, but I guess I'd pay a little more for a good one that can do everything.

I also need a pressure tester for the cooling system. Went to Advance yesterday to find they have 2 new ones, already with cracks. :thumbsup: Think I'm going to skip that one.
 



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When this goes on sale and you use the 20% off coupon (assuming you can get both at the same time) this seems like a decent kit for cooling systems checking. I wouldn't get it if I used it in a shop, but for home use it "should" be ok..
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http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=65053

~Mark
 


















When this goes on sale and you use the 20% off coupon (assuming you can get both at the same time) this seems like a decent kit for cooling systems checking. I wouldn't get it if I used it in a shop, but for home use it "should" be ok..
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http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=65053

~Mark

O'Reilly/CSK has the Stant one for $10 less. I might check and see if they have it in store, otherwise I'll be relegated to online shopping...

Went to AutoZone today and they didn't have any new ones but they had one to rent. I did see someone was having codes read, too. This AutoZone is in Hammond, LA. I would have rented one but I hear the cheap ones don't read accurately if they are, say, dropped, and there's no telling what the rental one has been thru. Besides, imagine the convenience of being able to pressure test at home whenever you want.
 






O'Reilly/CSK has the Stant one for $10 less. I might check and see if they have it in store, otherwise I'll be relegated to online shopping...

Went to AutoZone today and they didn't have any either, but I did see someone was having codes read. This AutoZone is in Hammond, LA.

Yea.. sometimes HFT isn't that cheap.. but you catch them at the right time and combine a sale with a coupon and you can get things cheap.. I paid $60ish for the $100 ODB-II scanner (the one I posted about earlier)..

~Mark
 






Could you write a product review on it when you finish testing it?

...I will after I fix my problems and then learn how to use it to it's full potential...;)

...I got a trifecta...P0301, P0351, P0352...:biggthump
 






I only read the first page but I work for autozone. We have been sued plenty of times but for a mis_diagnose that sounds kinda stupid. The OBD II is used with every mechanic. Probably what happend was that the Autozone employee probably didn't capture the second code and was given to the customer. I have never heard that one but I have heard the story about us erasing a engine code and being suede for it because there engine like ended up exploding or seizing.
 












O'Reilly still rents tools. :thumbsup:

2 day limit, tho, and didn't have the adapter I needed. :thumbdwn:
 






..O'Reilly still rents scan tools??? ...Since this thread is about scan tools, it might help others if this is true...;)
 






Hmm... I only asked about the pressure tester, but I think it was on the list with the rest of the stuff. In fact, I seem to remember something about how the scanner couldn't be rented in California, which would go along with the findings of the other members.

So, to put it short, looks like you're buying your own scan tool if you're in California. Everywhere else, you can still rent them. At least, there's no shortage of free code-reading options here in southeast Louisiana...
 






I'm in NJ, and Autozone here will still read codes. I have my own Snap-On "brick" MT-2500, but I have had a light come on while driving near Autozone, so I have had them "pull a code" for me a few times. I was told they are not supposed to clear any codes though. Apparently too many people would come back complaining that they hadn't "fixed' the problem, because the MIL would come back on?!?!?:rolleyes::crazy::wtf:

They do it for me (clear the codes), basically because a.) they know I know what I'm doing and b.) I'm in there so much, several counter people and managers (in 2 local stores) have my phone number memorized! Last time they were busy, so they just handed me the code reader at the counter, so I went out and did it myself.

That said, I can definitely understand where SVO is coming from. While I certainly feel that the labor rates many shops charge these days is just outrageous, they shouldn't have to work for free. Just being a "backyard" mechanic, I have personally invested thousands of dollars in tools and diagnostic equipment. (That snap-on scanner was over $1000 5 years ago, and it's sorely in need of an update now. More $$$). I don't like just throwing parts at a problem. It's much more satisfying to properly diagnose and correct the problem. It is also the ethical and professional thing to do when I'm working on someone elses vehicle. Of course, an actual shop has many more thousands of dollars invested in their equipment. Tire machines are $1500 and up, plus a balancer. Alignment machines $5-10,000, and so on.

Even with only doing "side" work, I'm kind of upset about the free scans. Two reasons:
1.) Yes, it would be nice to able to recoup some of my investment in the scanner/updates by charging a very small fee for quick scans. Say $20-$25. Not to mention the time it takes to do the scan and interpret the data. (not always just codes)
2.) Simple code readers provide you with just enough information to be dangerous, or to be an annoying, arguementative customer who thinks they know what the problem is because Autozone/Advance/their cheap code reader from Walmart/etc... told them so. It really only helps to further perpetuate misinformation. As has been said, just because you have a code for a particular part, it doesn't mean that is really the cause of the problem. Conversely, just because the ecm hasn't set a code, doesn't mean a part isn't bad. O2 sensors are a perfect example. An o2 sensor will start to have slower response times and be inaccurte enough to cause a loss of fuel economy, and other symptoms, long before it's "bad enough" to set code. Many other sensor are the same way. The can "drift", and send erroneous data, but as long as that data is still within the acceptabl parameters, no code.

Just to be clear, I'm not "bashing"/ "flaming" anyone in particular, and I'm sure that many of you are knowledgeable enough to use the information properly. I'm also sure that there are plenty of people out there who have code readers, and probably shouldn't, for their good.
 






On the issue of manufactures trying to "lock-down" the codes/ecm access,etc... I agree that is total crap!

I believe the law someone was referring to earlier is the Magnuson-Moss Warrany Act. Along with other things, it's the law that says that if a manufacturer requires that you only use OEM parts and dealer service, on order to maintain yor warranty; then they must provide those parts and service for free. I think tht might part of why some high-end luxury manufactures have free maintenance included in the purchase price.

I'll go a step further here. I think that not only do they have to allow shops/end users access to DTC's/ecm data/any special tools required to work on one of their vehicles; but I think they should also be required to maintain, and make available to repair personnell and vehicle owners, all technical data on vehicles and their components. If I want to know the actual dimensions of, say, the rear axle housing bore, or the diameter/thread/length of any particualr screw/bolt anywhere on my vehicle, it should be as simple as going to the manufacturers website, and looking it up. Data storage is cheap these days, and getting cheaper. If the manufacturers aren't required to save and make this data available, then it will become lost once the model is out of production for a decade or so.

I'm not really interested in buying any new vehicle, for a number of reasons. However, if I had the money, I would consider the new Camaro. If I were to purchase one, I would a few absolutely non-negoitable terms for the dealer, if he wanted my business. :

1.) Full unrestricted access to any/all TSB/recall/ any other data that the dealer recieves from the manufacturer,pertaining to my vehicle.

2.) Complete, unabridged, unaltered shop/repair/service manuals and all updates there-to, pertaining to my vehicle, within 7-10 days of them being available to the dealers shop mechanics, at no charge.

3.) Any/all electronic data/repair info available, pertaining to my vehicle, at the highest access level available to any person at/with/employed by the dealership. If certain electronic access is restricted to GM certified dealer techs, then they will either provide me an authorized tech to retreive the info in a very timely manner, or they will provide me with my own log-in credentials as though I was the highest level GM tech.

4.) If any special/proprietary tool(s) are required to work on the vehicle, they will provide me access to that tool(s), in a timely fashion. Such access may be in the form of a "loaner" process (w/ a REASONABLE deposit required), and/or access to purchasing the tool(s) at their actual costs. If a tool is cost prohibitive, then the loaner option is required. Obviously, this would only apply to "portable" / "hand" tools.

5.) All of these access provisions are for the life of the vehicle, and are transferable to a new owner (that one I might give on). Obviously they could only bind their own dealership to these terms; however these terms would be binding on any successor/heirs/parent or subsidiary compaines of this dealership.

Basicaly, I would have to be assured that I would have access to any information required, to maintain my vehicle; long after the information becomes "obsolete" to the dealer/manufacturer and is lost.

Of course, since we're talking hypothetically here, I might also try to "sneak in" a provision that they allow me to purchase wholesale trade-in vehicles that they normally only sell to used-car dealers.
 






I manger at oreilly's use to be a district manager at autozone, This subject came up the other day at work. Autozone still scans in non emissions tested areas. Pretty much all auto parts stopped doing scans in California, Chicago ect. Where their is smog testing i believe you have to be certified to do any diagnostic work on emissions controlled vehicles.
 






Hmm....I was just at one of the local Autozones here in the Portland metro area. We do have emissions testing in the area, and they still scanned my codes(didn't find any....)

The guy was kinda slow, though....I am definitely planning on buying my own scantool(I'm also in school to be a mechanic, so i need one anyways. lol)

-Mike
 






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