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1998 ford explorer sport
this is my first post on here, I can usually find what I'm looking for by reading other people's threads. I have a 1998 ford explorer sport 2 door 4wd 5sp. It has the 4.0 vin code x with 147,000 miles. Recently it started idle weird, surging idle when stopped. It started when I was teaching my girls how to drive it, plenty of stalling. Now I have replaced both valve cover gaskets, plugs, wires, fuel filter. It has a new battery, just Recently a new clutch kit and main rear seal. The idle in all of that sort of "fixed itself", but now when It gets to operating temperature and i push the clutch in, either to shift gears or come to a stop, the rpm's drop to the point of stalling or stalls all together. Im wondering if i should replace the IAC and TPS if that is an issue. I did scan my codes (engin light doesn't work) and it told me 02 sensor bank 1 sensor 2, and that's it. It does seem to idle a bit high for me as well. Around 900-950 warm. This is my first ex and I got what I thought was a smoking deal on it. Picked it up for 400$usd. I forgot to mention, it doesn't seem like when coming to a stop in gear the motor doesn't really slow it down right away, in about 30ft then you can feel the motor slow it down. Is this normal on these things? The rpm's hang up for a few seconds before slowing down? Sorry this is long and winded wanted to cover everything.
 



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Easy answer, yes with the clutch in the motor will not drop RPM's very quickly. This is normal.

A bad o2 sensor could be causing the truck to run rich or lean. (Too little air, too much fuel or too much air and too little fuel). I would start by replacing the O2 sensor. That should be the passenger side bank rear sensor (The one behind the cats).
 






to me that sounds like a vacuum leak. try spraying brake clean, or start fluid around your intake and see if the motor revs. 4L ohv had a common problem with the rear gasket on the rear of the fuel rail getting sucked in
 






That's what I thought at first, but when he mentioned the O2 sensor it seemed more like one bank than both. I have found that most vacuum and fuel issues affect both banks leading to both O2 sensors recording lean conditions.
 












to me that sounds like a vacuum leak. try spraying brake clean, or start fluid around your intake and see if the motor revs. 4L ohv had a common problem with the rear gasket on the rear of the fuel rail getting sucked in
Any special techniques? Only asking because the back of the motor is kind of a pain in the axx to get too
 






It is only showing 1 02 sensor. Forgot to attach that to original thread
 

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x2 on the vacuum leak. Check your hoses—they can crack and/or collapse under vacuum and cause a surge. Can’t hurt to clean the IAC, too. What’s the TPS % saying on the code reader at idle?

#2 sensor is there to determine catalytic converter efficiency—shouldn’t affect how the truck runs.
 






x2 on the vacuum leak. Check your hoses—they can crack and/or collapse under vacuum and cause a surge. Can’t hurt to clean the IAC, too. What’s the TPS % saying on the code reader at idle?
It is just a basic reader, it doesn't give me live readings.
 






Any special techniques? Only asking because the back of the motor is kind of a pain in the axx to get too

just watch and listen to the area that you spray. try not to fog it if possible because you want to spray a general area at a time. for the back you can try and spray it from the side and aim towards the back of the motor as best as you can
 






@Garrett_david1

I have an OHV w/ a 5 Speed Manual.


When all of your vacuum related gaskets are good shape (Upper Intake Manifold "figure 8" gaskets, PCV valve gromett, and valve cover gaskets), and your rubber intake from the MAF to the Throttle Body is sealed, the IAC Valve is what controls the Engine Idle Speed via METERED AIR.
To clarify - "Metered Air" means no air/vacuum leaks.

With that said, in a properly operating OHV fuel injection system, there are ALSO computer parameters that control the "idle down" speed when you put in the clutch while coming to a stop, OR have your A/C on.

For reference, since it sounds like you know your way around car; Bback in the day of carburetors, the idle down speed was controlled by a "dashpot" valve. It was essentially a rubber diaphragm "damper" attached to the throttle linkage whose purpose it was to slow down the "butterfly" closing speed at a controlled rate so as to not stall the engine.

On your Ex, the "dashpot effect" is built into the computer parameters so as to control the IAC Valve, so that your engine doesn't stall when coming to a stop.

OK - on a properly operating OHV, when I'm driving along, and I activate the clutch, throw the trans into neutral, lift up on the clutch, and am coasting up to a a stop sign/light, my engine will hold approx. 950 rpm. ONLY when I come to a full stop, and the ABS sensors tell the computer I'm at a full stop, does the engine idle down from 950 rpm to approx 650 rpm. So yes, there is a slight delay built into the idle down procedure.

When I cold start my Ex in the morning, it starts at about 1150 - 1200 rpm, and as it warms up, it drops down in noticeable steps every couple of minutes as the operating temperature rises, eventually settling on 650 rpm.

Once it's reached operating temperature, my Ex idles all day long at approx 650 rpm...

I hope that description helps with your diagnosis.

A few tips in addition to changing your #2 02 sensor.

Clean your MAF - I see no mention of that. The MAF on these is VERY sensitive to dirt, which throws off EVERYTHING air/fuel related.
No lack of info on this forum about that subject.

Every time you make a component change (i.e. 02 sensors, spark plugs, spark plug wires, IAC valves, coil pack) make sure to disconnect the battery for at least an hour to clear the computer memory. That way when it re-starts it will be operating under the factory settings. Over the course of a week of city/highway driving, the computer will relearn it's operating parameters and adjust to your driving style and the wear on the various sensors that haven't been replaced. It's a pain in the butt to do this every time BUT a necessary one BECAUSE the computer compensates for worn and/or faulty components in order to keep running.

The TPS Sensor is essentially a rheostat (like the dial switch that controls the intensity of a chandelier).
Over time they tend to burn a "hot spot" on them from being in the same "range" most of their life.
That "hot spot" can screw up your tip in throttle response from a dead stop.
Check yours - lots of documented info on this forum on this subject as well as the initial voltage setting.

Hitachi was the manufacturer of the original OEM IAC Valve.
If cleaning it doesn't work LOTS of info on the forum) buy a Motorcraft brand one for $60 from Rock Auto.

While you get to know your Ex, here's something to keep into account.
The computers in 2nd gen Ex's vary in sensitivity as to when they decide to finally throw Check Engine Lights.
My particular computer isn't as prone to throw codes as to other Ex's on this list.
Meaning you COULD have a vacuum leak, BUT the computer hasn't thrown a code for it...
This keeps things interesting on these old rigs and emphasizes the importance of going through the diagnosis process in a methodical manner.
Once you stray from a methodical method, you'll quickly find yourself throwing parts at it...

The scan gauge you have is sufficient for the era of your Ex - I have the same one for the past 15 years - it's served me well.

In closing, the Body on Frame construction of your 2nd Gen Ex means that it's very safe for your daughters.
Check out this thread of a recently flipped 2nd Gen 2 Door: Rebuild of a flipped 98 sport
The owner was not hurt AND drove it out under it' own power for 10 miles after the event.
And since your Ex has a manual transmission, they'll have a skill that the boys around them will be envious of ;)


Keep us apprised and don't be a stranger.
 






@Garrett_david1

I have an OHV w/ a 5 Speed Manual.


When all of your vacuum related gaskets are good shape (Upper Intake Manifold "figure 8" gaskets, PCV valve gromett, and valve cover gaskets), and your rubber intake from the MAF to the Throttle Body is sealed, the IAC Valve is what controls the Engine Idle Speed via METERED AIR.
To clarify - "Metered Air" means no air/vacuum leaks.

With that said, in a properly operating OHV fuel injection system, there are ALSO computer parameters that control the "idle down" speed when you put in the clutch while coming to a stop, OR have your A/C on.

For reference, since it sounds like you know your way around car; Bback in the day of carburetors, the idle down speed was controlled by a "dashpot" valve. It was essentially a rubber diaphragm "damper" attached to the throttle linkage whose purpose it was to slow down the "butterfly" closing speed at a controlled rate so as to not stall the engine.

On your Ex, the "dashpot effect" is built into the computer parameters so as to control the IAC Valve, so that your engine doesn't stall when coming to a stop.

OK - on a properly operating OHV, when I'm driving along, and I activate the clutch, throw the trans into neutral, lift up on the clutch, and am coasting up to a a stop sign/light, my engine will hold approx. 950 rpm. ONLY when I come to a full stop, and the ABS sensors tell the computer I'm at a full stop, does the engine idle down from 950 rpm to approx 650 rpm. So yes, there is a slight delay built into the idle down procedure.

When I cold start my Ex in the morning, it starts at about 1000 - 1100 rpm, and as it warms up, it drops down in noticeable steps every couple of minutes as the operating temperature rises, eventually settling on 650 rpm.

Once it's reached operating temperature, my Ex idles all day long at approx 650 rpm...

I hope that description helps with your diagnosis.

A few tips in addition to changing your #2 02 sensor.

Clean your MAF - I see no mention of that. The MAF on these is VERY sensitive to dirt, which throws off EVERYTHING air/fuel related.
No lack of info on this forum about that subject.

Every time you make a component change (i.e. 02 sensors, spark plugs, spark plug wires, IAC valves, coil pack) make sure to disconnect the battery for at least an hour to clear the computer memory. That way when it re-starts it will be operating under the factory settings. Over the course of a week of city/highway driving, the computer will relearn it's operating parameters and adjust to your driving style and the wear on the various sensors that haven't been replaced. It's a pain in the butt to do this every time BUT a necessary one BECAUSE the computer compensates for worn and/or faulty components in order to keep running.

The TPS Sensor is essentially a rheostat (like the dial switch that controls the intensity of a chandelier).
Over time they tend to burn a "hot spot" on them from being in the same "range" most of their life.
That "hot spot" can screw up your tip in throttle response from a dead stop.
Check yours - lots of documented info on this forum on this subject as well as the initial voltage setting.

Hitachi was the manufacturer of the original OEM IAC Valve.
If cleaning it doesn't work LOTS of info on the forum) buy a Motorcraft brand one for $60 from Rock Auto.

While you get to know your Ex, here's something to keep into account.
The computers in 2nd gen Ex's vary in sensitivity as to when they decide to finally throw Check Engine Lights.
My particular computer isn't as prone to throw codes as to other Ex's on this list.
Meaning you COULD have a vacuum leak, BUT the computer hasn't thrown a code for it...
This keeps things interesting on these old rigs and emphasizes the importance of going through the diagnosis process in a methodical manner.
Once you stray from a methodical method, you'll quickly find yourself throwing parts at it...

The scan gauge you have is sufficient for the era of your Ex - I have the same one for the past 15 years - it's served me well.

In closing, the Body on Frame construction of your 2nd Gen Ex means that it's very safe for your daughters.
Check out this thread of a recently flipped 2nd Gen 2 Door: Rebuild of a flipped 98 sport
The owner was not hurt AND drove it out under it' own power for 10 miles after the event.
And since your Ex has a manual transmission, they'll have a skill that the boys around them will be envious of ;)


Keep us apprised and don't be a stranger.
I wasn't too worried about the safety on it. My mother had a 91 2 door sport 5sp that was totaled. Some guy came across the highway and hit them head on at 65 mph. Hers rolled i believe the report said 6 times. She was hospitalized for some injuries but not life threatening. The report said he was drinking when it happened. I only stated that because that's when the problems started. Ill keep you guys posted on my findings. I'm going to go to the parts store tomorrow and get some parts cleaner and check vacuum lines. I appreciate all the responses and help I have received.
 






Just wanted to give an update, it wound up being the IAC. I haven't ran it long (just through town 30mph average) and it corrected the issue. After spraying around the motor, I had no changes in idling. Now onto trying to find where the oil is blowing on hot stuff. It smokes like it is on fire 😆.
 






@Garrett_david1

Great! Make sure you re-set your computer so that your ecu adjusts for the new IAC valve.

Oil Leaks: OHV is notorious for oil leaks on BOTH valve covers, closest to the firewall, on the bottom 45 degree angle.

Engine is slightly tilted upwards, oil collects there, and leaks.

Only 8 teeny-tiny "M-6"bolts hold on the 7-10 lb valve cover...

Eventually I replaced the 8 valve cover bolts bolts with metric (M-6) all thread studs I cut to length and bottom out in the heads, bigger diameter washers to spread out the pressure, and nyloc nuts to resist engine vibration.

Don't use any other Valve Cover Gasket than Fel-Pro PermaDry Plus #VS50368T, in combination with a liberal application of Permatex Ultra Copper #81878 on BOTH sides of the gasket, on ultra clean head surfaces.

Also, get under and HAND TIGHTEN all of the Oil Pan Bolts - I had to do this once around the 80,000 mile mark.

Engine vibrates, and the cast aluminum oil pan weighs quite a lot and slightly loosens the oil pan bolts.

The OEM oil pan gasket is very high quality, and if you overtighten you will bugger it up.

Last, you can check the area surrounding where the oil filter mounts for oil leaks.

I had to remove the oil filter mount and replace the O rings.

Repair Link: How to: - Replace Gaskets On The 4.0 OHV Oil Filter Adapter / Mount

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@Garrett_david1

Great! Make sure you re-set your computer so that your ecu adjusts for the new IAC valve.

Oil Leaks: OHV is notorious for oil leaks on BOTH valve covers, closest to the firewall, on the bottom 45 degree angle.

Engine is slightly tilted upwards, oil collects there, and leaks.

Only 6 tiny bolts hold on the 7-10 lb valve cover.

Eventually I replaced the 6 bolts with metric all thread studs I cut to length, bigger diameter washers to spread out the pressure, and nyloc nuts to resist engine vibration.

Also, get under and HAND TIGHTEN all of the Oil Pan Bolts - I had to do this once around the 80,000 mile mark.

Engine vibrates, and the cast aluminum oil pan weighs quite a lot and slightly loosens the oil pan bolts.

The OEM oil pan gasket is very high quality, and if you overtighten you will bugger it up.

Last, you can check the area surrounding where the oil filter mounts for oil leaks.

I had to remove the oil filter mount and replace the O rings.

Repair Link: How to: - Replace Gaskets On The 4.0 OHV Oil Filter Adapter / Mount
I already replaced the valve cover gaskets shortly after I got it. Ill check the pand bolts at some point this week. Another fellow said about the oil filter mount. I will check those things this week.
 






Re-check your valve cover bolts - you'd be amazed how much they loosen in so short an amount of time - especially the bottom ones.

Realize that once there is oil in the valve cover bolt mounting hole in the head, you're fighting an uphill battle UNLESS you do a deep cleaning with brake cleaner, q-tips, and compressed air in each bolt hole.

Also - if you used a CORK valve cover - it's a losing battle - the Valve Cover Gasket listed above is the BEST out there for this engine.

Keep at her - you'll get it all sorted out - report back and good luck!
 






Re-check your valve cover bolts - you'd be amazed how much they loosen in so short an amount of time - especially the bottom ones.

Realize that once there is oil in the valve cover bolt mounting hole in the head, you're fighting an uphill battle UNLESS you do a deep cleaning with brake cleaner, q-tips, and compressed air in each bolt hole.

Also - if you used a CORK valve cover - it's a losing battle - the Valve Cover Gasket listed above is the BEST out there for this engine.

Keep at her - you'll get it all sorted out - report back and good luck!
I'm not a big fan of cork gaskets, I've always use rubberized ones. I will re check them. That is a good suggestion, I never thought about it that way. Im use to older chevy motors. You put them on and essentially forget about it.
 






I'm not a big fan of cork gaskets, I've always use rubberized ones. I will re check them. That is a good suggestion, I never thought about it that way. Im use to older chevy motors. You put them on and essentially forget about it.

Been dealing with this engine for over 15 years, and oil leaks are my pet peeve ;)

This engine was designed in Germany in the 70's - overall it's a keeper BUT it has some small shortcomings.
The amount of VC Bolts is too few, and the diameter of the bolt is too small, for the weight of the Valve Cover and the amount of Engine Vibration.
Add to it the tilt of the engine that causes pooling of the oil in the rearmost bottom portion of the valve cover - well, you get the picture.
On BOTH valve covers, the bottom bolt closest to the firewall, is the first bolt to loosen.
Once oil is in the mounting hole expect to be tightening it at least every month.

After 14 years of thinking about it, last year I went to my own design; I threw out the teeny tiny Metric M-6 valve cover bolts and went to bottomed out M-6 studs I cut to length from all-thread, bigger diameter washers to spread out the load, and nyloc nuts.
 






Been dealing with this engine for over 15 years, and oil leaks are my pet peeve ;)

This engine was designed in Germany in the 70's - overall it's a keeper BUT it has some small shortcomings.
The amount of VC Bolts is too few, and the diameter of the bolt is too small, for the weight of the Valve Cover and the amount of Engine Vibration.
Add to it the tilt of the engine that causes pooling of the oil in the rearmost bottom portion of the valve cover - well, you get the picture.
On BOTH valve covers, the bottom bolt closest to the firewall, is the first bolt to loosen.
Once oil is in the mounting hole expect to be tightening it at least every month.
After 14 years of this I went to my own design - studs, bigger washers, and nyloc nuts.
I can handle a small oil leak, but the smoking like it is on fire gets me 🤣. On the plus side, no one parks next to it in parking lots lmao
 



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I can handle a small oil leak, but the smoking like it is on fire gets me 🤣. On the plus side, no one parks next to it in parking lots lmao

I have a garage and like a clean floor 'cause it keeps me out of trouble.
Less of a chance of tracking something into the house and onto the carpet and thus ticking off the boss.
OHV oil leaks always start out small, get to the point where you can smell it, and eventually it moves on to smoke...
Look at my linked repair write-up, and if the area around your oil filter mount looks like the pics, more than likely you have a problem there too.
 






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