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Buffalosports

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1998 Sport - 4WD
On my 98 Sport, I would like to put a double flanged performance exaust system. I am having trouble finding double flanged systems for a 4.0L SOHC (I do not have headers! Just a the stock manifold) engine. I would like on for a reasonable price. I found some single flanged like this Gibson for $312. I found this one but I know for the price it is missing something. What else does it need? The muffler themselves? I was thinking about getting Cherry Bombs if it is, anyway.

JC Whitney, Double Flanged $169:


http://www.jcwhitney.com/HEARTTHROB...6347_N_111+1998+200729949+600015738_10101.jcw

Gibson Cat back system:

http://www.performancecenter.com/exhaust-systems
 



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Anyone?
 






Talk to James at Henson Performance

I would talk to James at Henson Performance. (www.hensonperformance.com ) I got my tuning from him, and I'm in the process of ordering an exhaust and other stuff too. Great guy. He will answer any questions you have. Definitely better than buying from JC Whitney!
I understand your confusion though, as I've been debating what to do with mine for a while.
Of course, the cheapest way; if you can weld, or know someone;, would be to buy a muffler of the configuration you want, and make a tailpipe. I was going to do that, but it's a pain in the you know what, plus it's actually a little difficult and not as cheap as you would think to find a dual IN,single OUT muffler. I'm going with the Gibson cat-back myself. I was advised against the MAC due to it being very loud; whereas the Gibson gets you power with reasonable sound levels.
Also, if you don't already have them, I would highly recommend a Cold Air Kit and an Xcal3 programmer. If you get custom tunes, you can have the rear O2 sensors disabled. This will allow you to remove the catalytic converters w/o setting a code. This, along w/ replacing the manifold-to-cat pipes w/ something a bit less pretzel-like should make a significant improvement, both in power and MPG.
Well, that's my 2cents. Hope it helped.
 






What I did with my SOHC was have a local muffler shop custom make a 2 1/2 inch cat back for me. I use a Flowmaster 70 muffler.
 






Al, What is the configuration of your exhaust? (size, single/dual,etc..) I'm actually still not 100% sure of the Gibson, simply becuase it just doesn't sit right with me to have dual 2-1/2 to the muffler, then choke it back down to only a single 2-1/2 outlet/tailpipe. My initial plan had been dual in (2-1/4 or 2-1/2) to dual out (prob. 2-1/4") but several shops wanted $200-$300 just to make then tailpipes, saying that it would be extremely difficult to fit 2 pipes in place of the single stock outlet.
What have you found in your experimentations, as far as optimal exhaust size and configuration? Keep in mind that I'm removing the cats, and replacing the pre-cat pipes w/ mandrel bent 2-1/4"
-Jared
 






Since I have made no modifications to my SOHC engine, I believe I need a single in, dual out. This is because I want double flanged pipes out. I heard and saw some guys put a cherry bomb muffler on a mustang. This was on one of the Sunday morning TV shows (Cheap Horsepower or something Like that). They bought it for only $40 and it had a great sound to it. You could really hear the horsepower.
I was surprised in the price with that kit from JC Whitney That is pretty inexpensive for what you get. It seems as if something is missing or it is "to good to be true". That was why I was wondering. I would really like to hear a good rumble coming out of my tail pipes. That is really why I want double flanged. Plus it adds some horsepower. Not sure if it adds as much as the Gibson (10-15 Hp), however.
I plan on getting performance air eventually. However the reason my plans changed to getting the exhaust done first was because those kits are cheeper than I expected. I like the look and sound of them and they are similar in price to the performance air kits.
 






Seriously, forget about that "Heartthrob" junk from JC Whitney. I looked at the link. It's just a cheap "universal" kit that universally doesn't really fit anything. It looks like it's meant to dump 1 pipe on each side, in front of the rear tires. That definitely won't work on an explorer! As for Cherry Bombs, you may get the sound you want for a short time, but 1.) the fiberglass packing will eventually blow out, 2.) the shape and size of the typical cherry bomb will make fitting them under an explorer a challenge, and 3.) cherry bomb style mufflers, with fiberglass packing, are not the best flowing mufflers. a well designed directed flow muffler is much better, as well as not having any fiberglass packing to rot or blow out.
Also, believe it or not, a bad exhaust (too big or just poorly designed) will actually lose power. Single IN and Dual OUT will not help you. It will just be a headache, as far as routing the pipes.
As I said orginally, try talking with James. But, I believe your best option is either the Gibson, for power w/ mild sound increase, or the MAC cat-back, if you just want it louder. I was told that power was about the same for both. If anything, the Gibson makes a little more torque in the mid-range, which is what our heavy beasts need; whereas the MAC may give up a little torque for a few more HP up top.
Another option is flowmasters, like Al said. However, in doing some research on this for myself, I noticed that a lot of guys who went with the 40 series, or the Delta Flows found them very loud and a bit "buzzy", which is something I want to avoid. Perhaps the 70series, as Aldive suggested, is different.
If you have a local shop that will work with you and isn't expensive, than you could go that way, otherwise, I think the gibson is probably the most cost effective option, as it does include everything needed to just bolt-up to your stock setup.
Now, as for the Cold Air Kit, that might be something you could "skimp" on and make yourself. Granted, it might not be flow tested like a commercial kit, but it would be better than the stock corrugated hose and airbox. You could get an off-brand k&N style oval filter for $15-$25, and make the intake pipe with pvc pipe form Home Depot. Wrap it in aluminized foil insulation tape, for heating ducts, to further reduce engine bay heat from reaching your intake air. Just be careful to support the pipe w/ a braket of some sort to keep it off the alternator and the cooling fan. I did something similar on a 98 Cavalier 2.2L I had not too long ago. It was a lot louder when you revved it, but itimmediately picked up noticeable power and 3mpg! Man I wish I hadn't sold that car!-almost 35mpg around town-w/ a lead foot
 






If you are looking at the Gibson alumnized version, prices are better on Amazon.com, $281.40 total, and on Carparts.com, $276.04...
 






Get what you pay for.

Yes, that's a few dollars cheaper, but I don't think you can beat the customer service from Henson. He has no problem answering all kinds of tech questions. He has really gone out of his way to help me out. I think it is at least worth a phone call before buy anything.
Believe me, I'm the first one to try and save a buck, but sometimes it ends up costing more.
 






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