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Robert

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I will be doing a complete flush on my 5-speed auto this Thursday. I will be using the method of draining a quart at a time from the tranny cooler and then adding a quart. For those that have done it this way, which line do I use from the cooler? The hose towards the center of my Explorer from the auxillary cooler goes to the bottom of my radiator on the other side. The top hose from the radiator goes to the transmission. The other line from the transmission goes to the other hose on my auxillary cooler. I am assuming that is the hose I want to tie into since it would make sense that the fluid would go from the tranny to the upper part of the radiator reservoir, then out the bottom fitting on the reservoir, into my auxillary cooler and then back out to the tranny. If I am correct, then that would be the last part in ghe loop before going back into the tranny. I'm not sure though if the tranny can pump the fluid all the way through the system with the inlet hose to it disconnected. Do I have the right hose?
 



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Rob, Good luck with this project. Its on my list for next spring, and I was hoping to come across a current thread like this one. Keep us posted!
 






Well if I don't get any replies by Thursday, I'll just go for it. I am first going to try disconnecting the outer hose since that should be the last point before the fluid goes back into the tranny. I'm going to put the outlet of the cooler into an empty bucket, and the inlet of the tranny into a bucket full of new fluid. I think this has been tried before and I don't think the tranny pulls the fluid in. If not, then I'll just poor a quart in at a time through the fill hole whenever a quart of dirty fluid comes out. So far I have picked up my filter but the only Mercon V I could find was the Aamaco brand. I'm not to keen on the idea of using it. The Mercon V I used the last time I changed just the filter and fluid was Quakerstate 4x4 Mercon V ATF. I would like to find it again.
 






Gimp, good post. I think that will make it a lot easier for me when I swap my fluid next spring. Here's a question for everyone (I can see this happening to me already):

What happens if you accidently drain the pan dry during the tranny swap? Can you put it back into action simply by filling up the tranny or does it have to be primed?
 






Thanks Gimp,

It was a lot of help, it confirmed my beliefs on the flow path my coolant takes. The only difference is my cooler is on the passenger side, but the flow path is the same. I'll use the hose coming out of the cooler that connects to the metal line that goes back to the tranny like I suspected.
 






VERY LONG UPDATE:

An update for anyone else thinking of doing the complete fluid flush on the 5-speed auto.

First, a big thanks to Gimp for suggesting removing the front driveshaft. I remember thinking the last time I changed the tranny filter that if I removed my front differential, I would loose all of my fluid from the transfercase. Nope, the CV joint between them keeps the fluid in the case. I did try again to remove the catalytic converter under the tranny, and once again, I couldn't get it off. I ended up rounding one of the bolts between the cat. and muffler so I gave up on that idea. I removed the front driveshaft (very easy!) and then started loosening up the bolts on the pan, removing the rear bolts completely. When the fluid started draining, it reminded me why I removed the tranny cross-member the last time I replaced the filter. The fluid runs all over the cross-member and spreads the dripping out over a 2 foot section (much bigger than my drip pan :( ). So I put some bolts back in, tightened them up enough to stop the flow and removed the cross-member. I did think to cover my catalytic converters and exhaust pipes this time with aluminum foil so that I didn't smell burning tranny fluid for the next two weeks.

Anyway, with the cross-member removed and the transfer case skid plate, I removed the bolts again. I supported the tranny by my floor jack this time since the last time when I let it drop down I had to put the jack under it anyway to get the bolts back in. The 5-speed auto only holds 4 quarts in the pan and that is about what I got out. I put in the new filter and tried torquing the bolts to the 30-41 ft/lbs that my older edition ('94-'98) Haynes manual recommended. At about 25 ft/lbs it felt like the bolts were stripping. I decided to stop at 25. (Jumping ahead here: I remember reading a post from someone else recommending the newere edition of the Haynes manual so I went and bought it to confirm the torque settings. It listed the torque settings at 108-140 inch/lbs. That works out to about 10 ft/lbs. No wonder the bolts felt like they were stripping. I backed off all of the bolts to the correct torque and made sure there weren't any leaks).

Back from the future now: With the pan correctly torqued, I moved to the front. I bought 6' of 3/8" hose (only needed 2' though) and 10 additional quarts of Quakerstate 4x4 Mercon V (cleaned out Walmart). I disconnected the outside hose from the tranny cooler to the tranny and let it drain into a 1 gallon milk jug that I marked 1 qt, 2 qt, 3 qt and 4 qt on it. The metal line from the tranny drained a bit also. Next, I took the original hose off of the tranny since it wasn't long enough to drain into my milk jug while it was on the ground and moved it back to the metal line going to the transmission. I put the new 2' section of hose on the tranny cooler. I stuck the end of it into the empty milk jug. The other line I stuck into a new bottle of Mercon V, hoping that the tranny would suck it in while it spit the old fluid out. I figured that if it worked, I would fill my 5-gallon bucket up with new fluid and go from there.

I had my Wife come out to start it for me, waiting for me to yell to shut it off is something went wrong. My yell came a little sooner than I expected. The fluid was draining into the empty milk jug like I expected at the rate of about 1 quart/minute. Unfortunately the other line that I hoped would suck up the new fluid, was draining fluid back into the new bottle as well. It didn't take long before the full bottle of tranny fluid was even fuller and soon running down my hands and all over my garage floor (that is when the yell came). Well that didn't work, so I looked for a plug (I used a 3/8 bolt) and used the hose-clamp to close the end of that hose. This time everything worked. I would just have to poor one new quart in through the tranny fill hole after each quart of old fluid came out. I had my Wife shut off my Explorer after each quart, continuing the process until I was out of tranny fluid.

I had hoped that the 15 quarts that I started with would be enough, but even after 15 quarts the fluid was still coming out quite dark. Off to Walmart (different Walmart) to buy 5 more quarts. I repeated the procedure with the last 5 quarts. It still didn't come out as clear as I would have liked, but at least when I shook the bottle around, the residue left on the inside of the bottle was red instead of brown like the first several bottles.

I put the hoses back on and checked everything over again for leaks. No leaks so I went for a test drive. My tranny seems like it might be shifting a bit smoother although it is hard to tell with my Superchip which makes it shift firm to begin with. I do still have a harsher shift when going from 2 to 3 than the rest of the shifts, but that has been there since 25K miles. I am now at 82K miles and first changed just the pan fluid at 50K per my '97's Owner's Guide and Extreme Duty Service Interval. Since all I replaced at 50K was the filter and 4 quarts of fluid, I decided to the the whole thing this time. Considering how dark the fluid was, I think I will stick to 30K intervals from here on out, especially when considering the full fluid change was actually easier and less messy than the filter and 4 quart change.
 






Originally posted by Sport (no trac)
Gimp, good post. I think that will make it a lot easier for me when I swap my fluid next spring. Here's a question for everyone (I can see this happening to me already):

What happens if you accidently drain the pan dry during the tranny swap? Can you put it back into action simply by filling up the tranny or does it have to be primed?

Just poor it back in through the fill hole. The dipstick goes right to the bottom of the pan so that is where the fluid will go back into.
 






I have a SOHC. Does anyone know which one of these is flowing INTO the cooler? I'm going to be adding a transmission filter on the line at that point and want to connect the filter before the fluid goes through the cooler so I can get a more accurate reading on the temp. This is looking through the front bumper...
 

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Robert, why not use synthetic ATF? Just curious....
 






After stopping at 3 national automotive chains in addition to Walmart, the only two Mercon V equivalents that I could find in enough quantity of were Penzoil and Quakerstate. When 30K comes up again, I will probably spend some time prior to the change looking for fully synthetic. I got the urge to change my fluid on my way home from Work on a Friday so I stopped in at Checkers, Autozone and Pepboys. Saturday in the middle of my change I needed another 5 quarts so I went up to Walmart and picked up 5 more.
 






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