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R12 Recharge San Jose area

rgjusa

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I have a 1992 Ford Explorer and wondered if anyone had any recommendations as to where in the San Jose area I might find a good shop to get an R12 recharge, and what sort of cost I might be looking at. Thanks.
 



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Is it even still available? Wasn't it banned about ten years ago?
 






I don't know if you'll find a shop that does it. But you can check Craigslist for R12 its where I found my cans...
 






Converting to 134a is about $10.00 worth of parts. (not including oil and coolant of course)

The things that need to be changed are the "orifice" (expansion tube), the type of oil used and the rubber o-rings.

r134a requires ester oil "PVE"

Replace all the "red" o-rings with the "green" ones (real easy on this truck) it's all one hose.

The expansion tubes are $3.00 at any parts store and are not vehicle specific.

The expansion tube is in the high side pipe going into the bottom of the evap. a little tight in there, but the fitting is accessible from the top once you get the receiver out.

There is enough room to pull out the old expansion tube and slip in the new without having to pull the condenser.

With some practice I can do this conversion in 30 min. First try took 1 hour.

If you are unequipped to recharge, just by the cans of 134a with oil already in it. Get the can with the gauge, real simple - add until the needle is in the blue zone.

You will need to borrow or rent a vacuum pump to get the moisture and oil out after having the system open, or just take it to a shop for the vac and recharge.

Cheap DIY conversion.

Very pricey if done buy a shop. Most shops charge $600 plus a bunch of bogus environmental fees because of the r22 (that has already leaked out!)

It does NOT need to be flushed or cleaned in any manner to get the old oil out, the vacuum will do that. Not critical to get it all.

134a and r22 have very similar compression-to-liquid properties, so it is NOT necessary to replace the compressor or make any other modifications. The expansion tube orifice size is what determines the end running pressure. Also NOT necessary to change the high and low pressure switches.

You can even get the "conversion" sticker on e-bay,,, just to make it all California compliant.

To make shopping easier just tell the parts guy you are working on a 94' , ask for a expansion tube and a box of assorted o-rings. In Cali if you tell them you are doing your own conversion they might not sell you the parts!
 






^^^

That's not true, I've had no issue at all getting A/C parts for either of mine here in California.
A couple years ago the state did start requiring deposits on cans of freon that is refunded when you return the empty can, but anyone is able to still buy them.

I also don't see how vacuuming removes mineral oil from the system, as it doesn't evaporate like water does... :scratch: If doing a R-12 to R-134a conversion, it really is best to disassemble the components and flush things out with solvent (you should already have it apart anyway for replacing all the O-rings and/or hoses). This not only removes the old oil, but small amounts of debris that might be floating around in there too (if there's a lot of debris, you may want to replace the condenser, as it's next to impossible to get 100% of it out of the condenser's nooks just with flushing, say if there was a compressor failure).


But yeah, supplies of R-12 do exist that are legal for a shop to use. The stuff is just incredibly expensive now because such supplies will only continue to dwindle (R-12 is no longer legal to manufacture, since 1995 IIRC) making it much cheaper to just convert over to R-134a.
I did the conversion some years ago on my BII... No regrets at all, blows out of the vents at a nice brisk 40° even when it's 100° out. Dead Link Removed
 






Update: got it recharged and serviced at Campbell Ford Performance, there was no way I could/would go the DIY route at the moment, so, for the sum of $240 it is blowing cold air again as good as it ever did. Very happy now.
 






Evacuating the system draws the oil out, just that simple.

A good 4 or 5 hour run will get it clean enough for the non-rocket science method.
 






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